"The most important aspect of Christianity is not the work we do, but the relationship we maintain and the surrounding influence and qualities produced by that relationship. That is all God asks us to give our attention to, and it is the one thing that is continually under attack. "

- Oswald Chambers, My Utmost For His Highest
Billy Sunday Speaks On Cards & Dancing

A few words of "wisdom" from Billy Sunday, famed evangelist (1862-1935):

There is not a man in Omaha who believes more in amusements than I do. But I believe that they should be recreative and harmless. Nobody believes more in amusements than I. What games do I play?
Well, I play baseball and lawn tennis, although I think that that is a girl's game and I don't like it - and I play golf and checkers and chess.
Somebody says: "What difference between a game of cards and a game of checkers?" Well, just as much difference as there is between heaven and hell. Ever since the day that cards were invented to satisfy the whyms of an idiotic king they have been the tools of the gambler.
Many a boy is inveigled into a gambling room and listens to the roulette wheel, and the faro bank and keno and listens to the ribaldry and the jest and the blasphemy, and he is reminded of home.
Men who have been spending their funds and lives to ferret those things out tell us that nine-tenths of the gamblers are taught in their homes by their mothers, or 80 per cent of them first learned gambling in the homes of professing Christian people.
When I talk to you about card playing in your home, I am trying to pound through your head that every pack of cards is but another stepping stone to hell. I think the old painted hag or the broken-down roue, hanging around the tables at Monte Carlo, or a down-and-out card sharp bucking a crooked game in a gambling joint at 3 o'clock in the morning a blamed sight more respectable than the church people or professed Christian who permits card playing in his home.

[Here Sunday tells a story about a boy who visits a "miserable, no-account church member family" that teaches him to play cards. He goes on to become a professional gambler and is almost killed in a fight.]

All that after being thirteen years a professional gambler, led into it simply because that good for nothing church member family could not see any harm in a game of cards in the home.
I have just as much respect for the old gambler who will bet his last sou as for the women who will sit around in their homes and play cards for prizes.
They are just as much degenerate, blackleg gamblers as the gambler in the gambling hell. They ought to be put on the calaboose with the rest of the gamblers.
You have no right to find fault with the city officials when the don't suppress gambling, when a thing so near akin to it is carried on right in your own home.
I believe that cards and dancing are doing more to damn the spiritual life of the church than the grogshops.
I believe more people backslide on account of the social side than the saloon.
A seemingly estimable woman will tear and snort and pout through an afternoon, what for? I mean the diamond-wearing bunch; the automobile gang; the silk-gowned - that's the bunch. So she can take home a dinky cream pitcher or a whisk broom.
There is nothing so tame as to ask a fellow to play cards for the fun of it.
It does not make any difference whether it is penny-ante or sky limit. So we have progressive euchre, and lots of church members have cards on their tables as often as food, and they are progressing to hell.
A woman who will play bridge whist is no better than a man who will go out and play poker, and the man who comes home with a pocketful of money won at a poker game is no worse than his wife who has been playing auction or five hundred all evening for a nice cut glass dish in which to keep the bouquets that are sent to her by her churchgoing friends.
Now, I'm not trying to cram anything down your throats. I am appealing to your sense of reason and decency, and if you are not man or woman enough to listen I guess God Almighty doesn't need you.
If this world was made up of only one family I probably would not need to preach this sermon.
But fortunately, or unfortunately, we are made up of many families. If you are lax in the care of your children it makes it harder for me to take care of mine.
If you don't care whether your children go to the dance, and I do care, you make it that much harder for me to keep my children right.
But I will keep them right if I have to slap my next door neighbor in the face.
Somebody says to me: "Mr. Sunday, are you going to include the square dance?"
They all look alike to me. It does not take very long to cut the corners off.


The above was taken from a sermon entitled "Dancing, Drinking, Card-Playing" originally printed by the Omaha Daily News from "Billy Sunday in Omha", Omaha Daily News, 12 October 1915.

I think of this sermon every time I hear a preacher quote from Billy Sunday or refer to Billy Sunday as the "great revival preacher who was a fore-runner to Billy Graham". And I smile and wonder what the congregation would do if they heard a real Billy Sunday sermon.

Here's some other favorite quotes of mine, from the same sermon:

The Dancing Christian never was a soul winner. The dance is simply a hugging match set to music. The dance is a sexual love feast.


The dance is the dry rot of society. I say it is immoral.


Supposing that you go to a dance tonight and then tomorrow you go around to some man's house when he is not htere, that you might effectively impress upon his wife the dancea nd its necessary attendants and requisites. You intend to give instruction, and you go in perfect innocence. You assume the same position and attitude with your arms about her that you would take on the ballroom floor. The husband comes in the back door and sees you there and with your arms about his wife, and bang! bang! goes the revolver, and you fall dead. You could not find a jury of married men on God's earth that would convict him.


Men don't care a rap for the dance; it is the hug that they are after.


I have more respect for a saloonkeeper than for a dancing teacher. I don't believe the saloons will do as much to damn the morals of young people as the dancing school. That is my position. I don't care anything about yours.


But you say: "Look here, Mr. Sunday, can't a man dance with his wife?"
"Dance with whom?"
"His wife?"
You old lobster! You don't want to dance with your wife! It is some other fellow's wife. You had just as soon go out and husk corn all night by moonlight as to dance with your wife.


You make men dance by themselves, and it'll kill the dance in two weeks. You know that you don't care for the dance; it is the hug and the opposite sex. A man drinks without women, and you gamble without women, but you make men and women dance alone, and you will kill the dance and you know it. Say, if you dance because you like to dance, you can dance with some old lobster just as well as with a woman.


No wonder the wold is not being brought to Jesus Christ. People say to me; "Well didn't they dance in the Bible?" Yes, they danced in the Bible, and they committed adultery, too; and they got punished. The dances of which their religion approved were never danced by both sexes. Men danced with men and women with women. I tell you the dance nowadays is induced by the passions and the seeds of the passions. That's its only appeal.


I disagree with him about card playing...but I think he may have some points about the dancing.

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Comments on "Billy Sunday Speaks On Cards & Dancing":
1. Jared - 07/20/2006 8:40 am CDT

Who the heck is Thump?

Shrode, if you've given yourself another nickname, I'm going to go all Yosemite Sam on you . . .

2. nhe - 07/20/2006 8:41 am CDT

Wow......this reads as having been written by an utterly miserable human being - I'd like to hear the tone behind the words - was Sunday really this unhappy? - what could the appeal of his Gospel message possibly be in this context?....who would want any part of his Christianity? - I guess those were different times.

.....if purgatory were really a place - God would have Billy Sunday there watching "Footloose" over and over on a loop.

3. Thump - 07/20/2006 8:54 am CDT

Yosemite Sam Away... :)

nhe,
I tend to feel as you do. Billy Sunday was a mixed bag. No question. One newspaper described him this way.

"He is not conventional....He is not namby-pamby...He does not mince words...He is not dull...He is not afraid to wave his hands and shout." (Jefferson (Iowa) Bee, 17 December 1903 cited in McLoughlin, Modern Revivalism, and "A Treasury of Great Preaching, Vol. 8, which is where I got this from. )

4. nhe - 07/20/2006 9:02 am CDT

it makes me wonder what was considered "namby-pamby" in 1903........Grace perhaps?

5. Matt Self - 07/20/2006 9:25 am CDT

I dance because my wife makes me. I hope Billy gives me a pass on that one, because I do enjoy all the other things my wife does for me in the home. I'd hate to go back to frozen dinners and canned chili.

6. Leslie28 - 07/20/2006 3:36 pm CDT

I think the saddest thing is that us wives are all so incredibly undesireable to our husbands. Freudian slip anyone? It makes you wonder what would've come out about him in the current information age. A lot of public figures with tongues that acidic seem to decry the very things they themselves are haunted by or obsessed with. Maybe his wife made him danc on the card table naked and it made him feel dirty. But I digress. . .

7. Kevin - 07/20/2006 4:03 pm CDT

Now, I’m not trying to cram anything down your throats.

If I were trying to cram something down your throat, you've have a throat full of fist right now! No,

I am appealing to your sense of reason and decency, and if you are not man or woman enough to listen I guess God Almighty doesn’t need you.

Because these are seriously appealing words I'm speaking. Yes, appealing to YOU! You may not have noticed, but you are strangely drawn to do everything I say.

Feel the appeal!

8. Jonathan - 07/20/2006 7:04 pm CDT

Hmm. Where dancing is concerned, I think godly fervor would make a great cover for what otherwise might be attributed (by misguided and uncharitable observers, of course) to my general ineptitude and self-consciousness.

Perhaps I should extend my righteous zeal to the evils of large muscles, sudoku, and public speaking.

9. Lingamish - 07/20/2006 7:22 pm CDT

This is the first time I've laughed out loud reading a blog post in a long time. I have always had a soft spot for Billy Sunday. Would that there were more like him!

For those of you who find his tone harsh, it helps if you read some of the humor writing from that era to get a feel for the diction. Billy is obviously a master of language and timing. I'd give two bits to hear him speak in the flesh and then some!

10. BabbleQueen - 07/21/2006 2:26 am CDT

Well, I agree about the dancing - except if you are dancing with your (own) spouse. The card theory is interesting but I don't know if I agree...

11. Andy Thompson - 07/21/2006 3:43 am CDT

I wonder what his wife looked like.

:O

12. R. Mansfield - 07/21/2006 6:57 am CDT

Here's a picture of his wife: http://www.wheaton.edu/bgc/archives/sunday/sunday35.html

I would've danced with her...back when I danced...

13. Lingamish - 07/21/2006 7:33 am CDT

Rick, you naughty boy. You can only dance with Billy. It's his rule not hers.

14. nhe - 07/21/2006 7:51 am CDT

Lingamish speculated further on what I wondered - much of this sermon is likely tongue in cheek...and times were certainly different.

What, pray tell, would Sunday said about Rock & Roll?....

There are many good (and decent) memories in my life that involve dancing or card playing. But those things are not taboo now like they were then.

If Sunday were alive today, I'd guess that this sermon would be centered more on smoking, drinking, cursing and going with girls that do.....preachers tend to preach against the taboo sins of the times there in.

15. R. Mansfield - 07/21/2006 8:08 am CDT

Yeah, and I'd never dance with Helen Sunday because according to Billy, he'd have justification to shoot me and no jury "of married men" would convict him of it.

16. Lingamish - 07/21/2006 8:19 am CDT

Bang, bang! You old lobster, it's the calaboose for you!

Yes, nhe, Billy is using humor but I don't think it's tongue in cheek.

"I mean the diamond-wearing bunch; the automobile gang; the silk-gowned - that’s the bunch. So she can take home a dinky cream pitcher or a whisk broom."

He's using mockery and a lot of home-spun humor to get the reader/listener laughing and on his side. I suspect that John the Baptist had a similar rapport with his audience.

17. nhe - 07/21/2006 8:22 am CDT

that's funny, John the Baptist was exactly who I thought of after I read the original post

18. Lingamish - 07/21/2006 8:25 am CDT

Whoops, forgot to mention...

nhe,

I think your comment about the times being different is partly true. The "grogshops" were a big social concern in that era, and it's hard for us to appreciate the effect that habitual drunkenness had on individuals, families and communities. I see a similar backlash in Africa where drunkenness is such a problem that churches pretty much have a blanket prohibition.

Are the "sipping saints" of today able to enjoy in moderation or are they just heading down a path like Sunday predicted?

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