- Oswald Chambers, My Utmost For His Highest
Another live-blogged Lost experience here on Thinklings. Warning: This post contains spoilers.
The previouslies on this week's show go WAY back. All the way back to the heroine plane.
And, cool . . . This looks like an Eko show!
Flashback: The scene is Eko as a little kid, breaking into a trailer to steal food for himself and his brother. Until a nun catches them, that is.
Now in church, the nun is asking Eko to ask God for forgiveness. We don't get to find out if little Eko is going to confess to God but based on the expression on his face, I'd say no.
Back in real life - we get a closeup of Eko's closed eye. Sayid and Charlie are examining his unconscious body.
"Stay alive dude, OK?" - I love Hurley
I sense a flashback coming on.
Wait, we've seen this one before . . . They are starting to rerun flashbacks! This is the one that recounts Eko's drug scheme with the faux-priests and the plane, and his brother, the real priest, getting shot.
Back to real life! I think. Maybe not, because the guy waking Eko up is his dead brother.
"It is time to confess" . . . awesome.
Somehow the vision of his brother's ghost sets Eko's hut on fire. Charlie and company rush in and save Eko though. They lay him off to the side.
And they turn their back and - Eko's gone! That dude rocks. Pure and simple.
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Jack is doing chin ups in his cage. And in walks Ben, dressed like John the Baptist for some reason.
I gotta admit, I like Ben. They have him looking very holy right now. He wants to take Jack for a walk.
Jack is trying to get Ben to admit that he has a tumor, an aggressive tumor. Ben's playing innocent.
(OK, for all the Jack lovers out there, he just took off his shirt.)
Ben just denied being sick. But there's an interesting look on his face. They both know the truth.
This is weird. The others are all dressed in white robes. Like some kind of a cult or something.
Oh, it's a funeral. For Colleen. They are all there, and schmaltzy music is playing while they get her burning bier going out in the water.
"Why did you show him my X-rays?" - Ben does have a tumor! But he doesn't want Jack to know.
Back to Lostaway Beach. They are talking with Desmond about the Hatch.
And now Locke is going to go find Eko.
Eko is stumbling around in the jungle. He looks horrible, by the way.
Flashback: In the aftermath of the killing of his brother and the taking off of the doomed drug plane, Eko is being dropped off at the church by the soldiers who think he is his brother, the priest.
Eko stares at the cross for a few minutes, and then picks up a Bible. It's his brother's bible, which has a picture of them both when they were kids.
A parishoner walks in with her little kid, and Eko realizes he has to take his brother's place.
Back to the jungle, he has just picked a new pounding stick as we get a glimpse of SmokeZilla zipping by in the background.
Weird. He's being attacked by bleeding guys - I'm suspecting they are past enemies of his. Since one threw a knife at his face, Eko decides to fight back, and is about to stab his victim, who is pleading for his life, until the victim turns into the little kid from the church scene we just left. The kid says "confess".
Commercial . . .
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Locke is inviting everyone to go along to the Pearl station. Hurley can't believe it.
"Um, Jack would always do things on his own, or take Kate or Sayid".
Locke: "Well, I'm not Jack".
I'm keeping my mouth shut. But inside, I'm doing cartwheels.
Privately, Locke knows that Eko is going to the Pearl station. "Two birds with one stone", he tells Desmond.
And here's Eko, alone in the jungle, drinking from a river, and here's another flashback.
The little kid from the previous scene is an altar boy, who notices that Eko doesn't know much about being a priest.
Enter the toughs, with machine guns, driving up in a truck and wanting to talk to Father Yemi. These guys scam percentages off of shipments of vaccines, in exchange for "protection".
Eko is standing up to them, "I am not afraid of you". In answer the head tough SHOOTS AN INNOCENT WOMAN in total cold blood. I hate these guys!
We're back to Eko and the river, and here's Lostzilla! The column of smoke from back in the early days of Lost. It is not a tame column of smoke.
But it retreats just when Locke and company show up.
"Hello Eko!"
Commercial
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Back in the aquarium: Juliet has cooked a cheeseburger for Jack. How sweet. They seem to be getting along well (I'm not sure why Jack doesn't attack her anymore and escape. There are probably guards outside the door). I think he is starting to like her.
Ben barges in and claims "Doctor/Patient confidentiality" as a way of shooing Juliet off. I find this funny, for some reason.
"We had such a wonderful plan to break you, Jack". Ben is being deliciously evil.
"Has it not occurred to you that Juliet bears a striking resemblance to your ex-wife?" Well, if Jack hasn't thought of that, I SURE HAVE! But I think almost every new blond character on this show looks like Jack's ex-wife.
Ben admits that he brought Jack here to operate on him.
Jack: "You want me to save your life?"
Ben: "No, I want you to want to save my life"
Ben is being surprisingly vulnerable. Seems that their plan was to break Jack down and get him invested in their well-being, so that he would want to help Ben of his own free will. Ben doesn't think that will work now that Jack knows he has cancer.
Ben: "Do you believe in God, Jack?"
Jack [not answering the question]: "Do you?"
Ben: "Two days after I found out I had a tumor on my spine a spinal surgeon fell out of the sky. And if that's not proof of God, I don't know what is"
That's some cool dialog.
Eko and Locke are walking through the jungle. Locke makes the mistake of speaking Yemi's name and almost gets the scripture stick shoved up an orifice. Watch it, Locke.
Back to flashback: Eko is still pretending to be a priest.
I just missed th rest of the flashback because Jill and I got to talking. Oops.
Now Eko, Locke, and everybody else - woohoo! No cliques now! - are looking at the heroine plane and the underlying Pearl station. By the way, "everybody else" includes the two new characters, Raul and whats-her-name.
Eko is back in the plane. I think he's wondering where the body of his brother went.
Yes: "My brother is gone"
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Back at the drug-plane. Locke is coming up with reasonable explanations for the loss of Yemi's body, none of which are helping Eko out much. You notice that dead bodies don't stay put long on this island?
Locke did find Yemi's cross. Well done, Locke.
Flashback: Eko, staring at the cross in his church. He looks angry. And now, to make matters worse, here are the hoodlums, walking right in. Do they know who they are dealing with?
The leader is threatening Eko with this huge knife, and he is going to cut off Eko's hands. What follows is some amazing, amazing Eko arse-kicking. They did not know who they were dealing with.
But Eko, walking out of the church wide-eyed and bloody, carrying both a knife AND a gun might not have been the best idea, if the looks on the faces of your parishoners is any clue.
Back in Pearl. Sayid, Desmond and Locke are playing the video of the Dharma Doc, trying to figure out if the comm goes both ways.
The new chick (WHAT IS HER NAME?) just stated the obvious - there are six TVs, probably six stations, why don't we look at them?
Raul just had his scene this ep. It was him going to the bathroom. I feel for this character, because he's getting some terrible scenes.
Sayid is fiddling. They are seeing a view of another station. A computer is rolling on the monitor. And Raul is being a jerk.
In the meantime, a guy with an eyepatch that I thought was an alien last week just noticed they are prying and has turned off the video feed to whatever station he inhabits. This was scarier in the previews.
Back in Jack's aquarium. Juliet wants to watch To Kill a Mockingbird with him. He's not interested. But she's apologizing, which is sweet, unless she's just playing games, which means she's evil.
Or not. The video is of her sending secret messages to Jack on posterboard - "Ignore everything I'm saying". "Ben is a liar". "He is a very dangerous man". Basically, in the video she's playing, she's asking Jack to kill Ben so they can make a new start. All the while in real life she is talking to Jack, pretending to try and convince him to save Ben.
Jack is noticeably shaken, but he's playing along.
Her plan: It's a complicated surgery, no one would ever know if he messed up on purpose.
I wonder if she realizes that it's not in Jack's nature to purposefully mess up in surgery. I have a feeling this isn't going to work, even though everything in Jack's mind is probably screaming that she's right.
I don't think Jack will do it.
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Back to the church.
"Are you a bad man?" - I like this little kid.
Eko: "Only God knows"
The kid's mom is now berating Eko. "Those men will be replaced by other men." And the church is being boarded up, because it is "not sacred anymore".
And this explains why Eko is building a church on Lostaway island. He owes Yemi a church.
And here Eko and Yemi are, back in the jungle. Eko is looking for Yemi, who has run off. He chases Yemi into a rather beautiful part of the island, heretofore not seen.
There's Yemi. "Are you ready Eko"
Eko: "Yes, I am ready"
Eko: "I ask for no forgiveness father. For I have not sinned. I have only done what I needed to do to survive". Evidently Eko is not repentent. In spades.
"When I was a young boy, I killed a man to save my brother's life. I am not sorry for this. I am proud of this."
Eko on his knees. "I did not ask for the life that I was given, but it was given nonetheless. And I did my best."
Yemi's ghost is having none of this. "You speak to me as if I were your brother!"
Eko is chasing after him again. And there's the Lostzilla smoke darting right behind him.
Whoa! Now it's in front of him. Yikes!!!!
Eko is praying Psalm 23. Pretty cool. But that's not stopping Smoke-monster from beating the living crud out of him.
Locke hears the racket and runs out to see what's going on.
I really, really hope Eko doesn't die here.
Oh no.
He's whispering something to Locke but I can't tell what it is. (anyone help me out here?)
This is NOT good!
Eko has just died in Locke's arms. This stinks. Sayid, new-chick, and Desmond look on.
Sayid: "What did he say John?"
Locke: "He said, we're next."
Comforting . . .
I wonder if Eko had confessed and asked forgiveness, and not been so darn defiant, perhaps the Smoke wouldn't have killed him. Was that not an unsatisfying end to Eko? It was for me. No redemption, no confession, his dead brother disowns him, and he dies. Crud.
I give this show a C.
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The previews for next week (the finale of the first six shows) look pretty good, except for the flashes of Sawyer and Kate bumping boots. Bleaugh.
Also, Jack is standing up to Ben. And for that he gets my respect.
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The flashback you missed was Eko aranging a deal to sell the all vaccine rather than live up to his bother's deal.
I lot a lot of respect for Eko in htis show. He seemed earlier to be a guy who'd been down the wrong road, seen where it leads and turned around. Nope. Not in the end.
The thing I did like was his quote: "I did not ask for the life I was given, but it was given anyway." True, but to say he did the best he could?
I wonder how much of Ben's vulnerability and the girl doc's little video is a part of the others' plan. This show has me second guessing everything.
In any case where someone is shown a "top-secret" message on video tape, one has to wonder, who's holding the camera - unless she's got it on a tripod.
I still think that girl doctor that looks like Jack's ex is waaaay scarier than Benry.
I agree with number 2. I lost a lot of respect for Eko. When he got the parish, he had a chance to change his life, and he still desired to get one over on people by taking the vaccine shipments. His ending was alltogether unfulifillng. However, Yemi's nature at the end tells me that I don't think we know who we are deeling with. I thinked the monster sensed Eko's unrepentent heart and delivered punishment. Could this tie into the others' obsession with being one "one of the good guys?" What was with that awful burial scene and weird music at the beginning??
What doesn't really fit in with the idea that Eko never really changed his stripes is that the Others tried to take Eko along with the kids and the other "good ones" from the Tail section, but he killed them. He seemingly repented of that act of self defense and took a vow of silence for 40 days as penance, then gave confession to Benry. It doesn't really make sense to me, and I'm more disappointed with the writers on this one than Eko.
I think the Eko/Yemi theme is a common one in movies. One good brother...one bad brother...the bad brother doing the bad things to keep the good brother clean. I liked the storyline and have to think there will be more to come out of it. I also am wondering if Juliet is the real threat instead of Benry. In previous episodes where there was the black smoke the filmfodder guy watched it frame by frame on Tivo and there are all sorts of scenes/objects in the smoke. I'm interested to see what he reports today about what was in the smoke last night.
Count me disappointed in the episode. I haven't even watched the end yet, because Beck fell asleep last night, but I went ahead and read your recap to see what happened.
Eko dies. Yawn.
The only thing of substance I liked in the episode was Jack. Of course.
Here's my thing on this whole "I was gonna break you so you'd operate on me" thing: Why? Talk about taking the long road. Why not just say "I'm going to kill Kate and Sawyer if you dont' operate on me"? Surely if they have a file on Jack, as they say they do, and surely if they know he cares about his friends, he would do it. With their lives hanging in the balance, he'd do his best.
So that whole angle smacked of nonsense to me.
Also, if Ben brought Jack to operate, why would he act all weird about Jack seeing the X-rays? Because he still wanted to break him?
It's just weird. Even if it makes sense, it still seems awkward and plodding.
I think Juliet is probably playing Jack. In fact, I wouldn't be surprised if that whole video thing was Benry's way of seeing if Jack was really goodhearted or not. In other words, if Jack tells Juliet "Okay, I'll pretend to operate and 'accidentally' kill him," then Benry knows Jack can't be trusted to do it.
Y'all know I love me some Kiele Sanchez (a.k.a. What's Her Name), but the writing they are giving her and the Paulo dude is awful. It's just downright stilted. They seem tacked on, both in their actions and dialogue. As one the commenters above said, like Poochie on Itchy and Scratchy. That's a great analogy!
The transition of these two new characters into the ongoing saga could have been done much more smoothly.
I'm just bored right now with what the show is doing. Can't stand the Others, any of them. And I hate the scenes set in their compound.
I hate to say it (not really), but the show was better when we didn't know all that much about what was going on. I know the producers/writers probably caved to fans saying "You better give us some answers!" but now we've reaped what we've sown. In fearing that they'd drag the storyline out too long, I think they have shown us too much now. And really, it's just losing its draw. I don't think there have been any "whoa" moments this season at all. Well, maybe the island village thing at the beginning of the first episode. But the stuff that's supposed to "whoa" us is not "whoa"-ing us the way it did in Seasons 1 and 2.
They better bring their A game to the hiatus beginning episode next week. And I hope we get more time on the Lostaways side of the island after the break.
One more thing:
Hurley, Sayid, and Charlie are freakin' walking past a blazing tent and don't notice it? Hurley says, "Do you guys smell smoke?" and then they turn around, to face the general direction from whence they were just coming, and Eko's tent is ablaze.
That's just lame writing/blocking. It made me laugh when I saw it.
I guess one could say it burst into flames after they passed, but if it was a "started" fire, it surely had to have been visibly burning while it was withing eyesight.
Oh, also: The visitation of Eko's brother thing is obviously like Boone visiting Locke, especially since the visitee was resposible for the visitor's death. And it also makes whatever "Lost"'s solution is necessarily inclusive of a supernatural angle.
Jared,
While I agree with your assessment of the show, I would disagree that more mystery, less answers are needed.
What they need to learn to do is roll out the answers more skillfully.
This show is following, unfortunately, the path Alias follows (if my daughter reads this she's going to freak because she LOVES all five seasons of Alias) - great first season, decent second season, and then ridiculousness the rest of the way. It's like the writers have created a monster and they are either too bored, too rich, or too befuddled to bring it back into control.
"And it also makes whatever “Lostâ€â€™s solution is necessarily inclusive of a supernatural angle."
No it doesn't. No. It. Doesn't.
I do not expect any sort of supernatural element. In real life if these things happened, yeah. But in Lost? They will either explain it away or just not explain it.
The easy explanation: Something about the island's physical properties inspires hallucinations.
Or perhaps there's some kind of mind control going on with magnets, etc. The whole island is a psychological experiment, remember.
There will not be a supernatural component.
I thought there might be some redemption. But Eko died without redemption, and his last words weren't even redemptive. They were a warning.
Lost has jumped the shark. I'll keep watching, but I think they've lost their way (no pun intended).
I think this episode lends serious credence to my initial purgatory theory. The smoke-beast (lostzilla! LOL!) seems to be a creature of judgement here, or an accumulation of sin?
And there is a pattern of people being visited by dead loved ones.
And maybe if this is purgatory, when characters die, that is actually how they leave purgatory and go to heaven or hell?
Lostzilla posing as a dead loved one is a significant turn folks. Don't miss that. It's a serious clue. Of what, I don't know. :)
The reason I think a supernatural element must be involved is the synching up of the hallucinations. I could buy the "properties of the island" creating hallucinations, but it couldn't coordinate everyone's hallucinations into a cohesive storyline. Why are the hallucinations so similar? Why are they so "coherent" in that they tell stories and involve interactions that further the plots not just of individual characters but of all the characters.
That's just too "designed" an element to be a random symptom of the island's weirdness. And what of Walt's (and Desmond's?) psychic powers? That's supernatural.
There are too many religious elements involved, in my opinion, for rationality to lead the way. Add in the fact that the writer/producers have flat-out said in early interviews their religious faith informs the show, and I just can't as easily dismiss the supernatural angle. I just don't see them at the end of this whole thing saying, "It was all an experiment."
The implications and the weighty themes being covered (sin, redemption, forgiveness, etc.) will require some factoring in of spirituality.
Heck, Benry asking about God even hints at that.
Maybe we should take a vote?
Who thinks the explanation of all this will be supernatural?
Who thinks it will be totally natural?
I think when the series closes one day, there will still be unanswered questions and that's a good thing.
x-files didn't get better when they revealed everything. I'm with Jared, I think they should reveal very slowly and carefully. In fact, I don't think every episode should be about "the island". I think they should have some "standalone" type episodes about some adventure or a survival story. The first season had lots of episodes that weren't necessarily about the mythology of the island. I think we need more character/robinson caruso/lord of the flies/man v. nature episodes.
i'm holding to my guns, too. i think dharma is scientific, experimental, worldly, but there's a supernatural force fuddling it up and will eventually win out. locke's on to something with all his fate talk.
quaid and i were discussing how the monster has only taken eko and the pilot, right? any connection there? was the pilot unrepentant?
I think there MUST be a supernatural element. I'm sad Eko is gone, he was an interesting character. What I found interesting was the exchange between Locke and Eko as they were opening the plane for Eko to go to his brother's (missing) body. Locke said, "Did you see it?" and Eko said "See what?" and Locke said, "The bright, shining Light" and Eko said something about "No, I definately didn't see that." So it seems as if Locke (whose character appears to be mostly good) sees Light and Eko (whose character seems to be quite evil in his past) sees the Smokezilla (such a good nickname). It's as if what they see is based on their inner character.
I think that the Female (forget her name) Others is messing with Jack - everything Benry said is basically what they've done, so they're messing with Jack's mind because by admitting it they're hoping to trick him into thinking he's seen through their plot when really, he's fallen right into it. It's classic, "Good Cop, Bad Cop". Benry is soooo deliciously evil - whoever they cast in his character is perfect.
If this does take a pronounced turn for the "supernatural", will that affect you in regards to watching/enjoying "Lost"? Early on a friend scolded me for watching because she deemed "Lost" "demonic" (this was after the black smoke grabbed and dragged one of the characters). I told her it was more "science fiction" at that time. Now, I'm beginning to wonder. What do you think?
[...] Second, I’m going against some of the usual suspects, and saying that I thought this episode gets us back into the old school Lost mode. The rest is mostly commentary/speculation, but contains spoilers, so click to read on. The storyline for Eko’s demise wasn’t at all like I thought it would be, it was much better. [...]
Alls I can say is that I disagree with much of what has been commented on in this thread. I really enjoyed this episode and felt it set up well what looks to be a highly entertaining fall season finale.
While the show isn't the best, it's certainly better than a "C" in my opinion. As far as Eko's death, I think that there are a lot of clues in this episode that are so subtle we won't realize it until the end of this season or later. We'll be saying, "Remember when the black smoke . . ." and "But didn't Eko's brother do this, that or the other?"
I don't think that they've revealed too much and I am very much interested in what happens down the road. While I prefer the island over the compound, Jack's scenes are really quite awesome. As soon as Sawyer punches Chinatown's face in, that story line will also perk up. And do I need to mention Benry's creepiness? Excellent.
I crave more Hurley, Charlie and Sayid. And whatever happened to Rose? Her character warms my heart. Still, the new additions of Juliet and her coup are enough to keep me hanging on for next week.
The question I would offer is what kind of cliffhanger(s) do you expect from next week's show? The obvious might be whether or not Benry dies. Another might be whether or not Jack leaves the island a la Michael and son or stays. (Remember, the promo showed Jack saying (seemingly in a negotiating manner) "I want the _ell off of this island!") Another cliffhanger might be what happens to Locke who might go hunting for Jack et al. all by his lonesome.
And how do Sawyer and Kate get into a place where they can go at it? This must happen after some serious butt-kicking.
I agree with Quaid - I think this was a very good episode.
I think some of y'all have higher expectations than you should of the writers/producers. Go back and rewatch some the first season - this episode is on par with most of them, imho.
Well, I don't know. It's hard to change the way I feel about a show :-)
It just has more of a "making it up as they go along" feel now than it did earlier. I like (love!) mystery, but things seem to be getting downright illogical. It's hard to figure out people's motives.
For instance - after the hatch imploded: How come none of the Lostaways even bothered to go look for Eko and Locke (and Desmond)? The Lostaways are almost eerie in their actions, now (at least the Others seem to have a sense of purpose, even though there's no way of figuring it out yet). Other than Locke, everyone else seems to be just floundering. Hurley gets back from this horrible experience with the Others, Jack, Kate and Sawyer are kidnapped, and he . . . does what. Says "dude" and chops fruit? Do people care?
Even the - I found this funny - talk about how Locke isn't like Jack struck me as odd. OK, Locke is more inclusive than Jack. I am no huge fan of Jack, but doesn't it seem like people should CARE WHAT HAPPENS TO JACK, KATE and SAWYER? You couldn't tell by the nonchalant way the Lostaways are acting.
It just seems disjointed, somehow.
I think I probably need to quit analyzing and just start enjoying. Liveblogging it doesn't help ;-)
Man, just yesterday, before the show, I was thinking "all the tailies are dead...except for Eko and Bernard."
Bernard better watch his back. Those writers love killing off tailies.
I thought this comment made at filmfodder was interesting:
I'd like to point out that the creators of the show said at the end of season 2 that this season would see the return of "Smokey", but they also said that we had seen the smoke monster in season 2, but hadn't realized it. I think it is now clear that all the freaky sightings on the island were Smokey. Going all the way back to season one, when Jack saw his father traipsing through the jungle, to the black horse, to (maybe) Walt in the jungle speaking backwards. OK, maybe not Walt, but then you have Hurley seeing his old (imaginary) friend Dave. I also have another theory about Smokey, he (it) DOESN'T read minds. Smokey accesses peoples past through the same method that the island has access to all events in time. The theory that I posted previously that could explain how Desmond can see the future is relelvant to understanding Smokey. Smokey is in tune with the Island and can access anyone's life at random. It came across Eko and accessed his past on the spot. We assumed it was reading his mind because it was flashing images from Eko's past, but that doesn't mean memories. Of course I could be wrong.
Nice input, Mandi . . .
But, obviously, Smokey is a byproduct of the supernatural, right? There isn't anything "natural" about it. While it seems somewhat computerized in nature, what with scenes all flashing in it (which I completely haven't noticed, btw), it doesn't seem to by created by humans. If it is, then we need it in Afganistan right now to scour the caves for OBL.

I read a spoiler previously speculating that Eko was getting killed off but was still sad to see him go, especially the way he went out. Nikki and especially Paulo contribute about as much to the show as Poochie did to Itchy & Scratchy.