"The word 'no' is the way you keep your commitment to the people you have already said 'yes' to."
- Phil Schroeder
Friday, February 6, 2009
"Eighteen and pregnant, Sycloria Williams went to an abortion clinic outside Miami and paid $1,200 for Dr. Pierre Jean-Jacque Renelique to terminate her 23-week pregnancy.
Three days later, she sat in a reclining chair, medicated to dilate her cervix and otherwise get her ready for the procedure.
Only Renelique didn't arrive in time. According to Williams and the Florida Department of Health, she went into labor and delivered a live baby girl.
What Williams and the Health Department say happened next has shocked people on both sides of the abortion debate: One of the clinic's owners, who has no medical license, cut the infant's umbilical cord. Williams says the woman placed the baby in a plastic biohazard bag and threw it out."
I'm shocked at the shock. If you're pro-choice or a pro-lifer who's not all that concerned about a pro-choice culture and this disturbs you, why?
The only difference between this incident and what happens in all abortions is that the baby is usually killed inside the womb. They just didn't do it in a timely fashion this time.
Either way, a baby is killed and thrown away like garbage.
Stories like this and the advances in pre-natal technology are catching up with the abortion industry. One of these days we will wake up to how barbaric abortion is. We'll suddenly realize how uncivilized we really are.
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1. salguod.net
- 02/07/2009 10:56 pm CST
This story is not for the faint of heart. The patient was instructed to arrive early, which she did. The staff got things underway in anticipation of the doctor's arrival. But he was called to another patient for an emergency...
Comments on "Baby Born at Abortion Clinic Thrown Away Alive":
2. Brandi
- 02/06/2009 10:14 am CST
I can't answer your questions, Jared, because I don't see a difference either. It is killing a live baby whether inside or outside of the womb.
This post was pretty disturbing for me (being pregnant myself...20 weeks) and I just bawled when I read it...but I just wanted to thank you for bringing it to the light.
Open your mouth for the speechless,
In the cause of all who are appointed to die.
Prov. 31:8
3. Jared
- 02/06/2009 11:38 am CST
Consider the genocides and mass murders of the 20th C
Most non-Christians today recognize those were evil.
So I don't think it's out of the question to think you have to be a Christian to realize abortion is murder.
Most non-Christians know if you suffocate your 1 week old baby and throw it away, you killed a human being.
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Brandi, I'm sorry.
7. The Ancient Mariner
- 02/06/2009 1:19 pm CST
I did finally bring myself to post on this--though I just linked to it; I couldn't, I couldn't actually excerpt it--and I'll tell you why it makes me sick (though obviously I'm not the addressee of your question):
It's because it's one thing to kill someone whom you never have to actually confront; it's something else again to look a human being in the face and then kill them. That takes a whole other level of callousness, of hardness of heart. This is, I think, a vivid illustration of the damage abortion does to those who practice it.
Voldemort should have been an abortionist.
8. Bill
- 02/06/2009 1:26 pm CST
One of these days we will wake up to how barbaric abortion is. We'll suddenly realize how uncivilized we really are.
I hope so.
How does someone stick a living baby in a plastic bag and toss it? God have mercy.
9. Raindream
- 02/06/2009 1:28 pm CST
Well said, Mariner. I learned recently there is an independent horror movie based on a 22 week abortion. I only glanced at the trailer. I don't think I want to look at that.
I wonder if the pro-choice people who I assume were asked to comment on this story were truly shocked. I wonder if they were making nice with public perception, because abortionists supposedly believe a baby is not a baby inside their clinic. One must affirm its humanity for it to be human.
11. Christina Dunigan
- 02/06/2009 2:16 pm CST
Something to keep in mind amidst all the outrage: Things like this are literally an everyday occurrence. The strange and shocking aspect is merely that it's being reported, talked about, and perhaps might even lead to prosecution.
12. Milly
- 02/06/2009 4:24 pm CST
It’s so sad. My friend wants to get pregnant or adopt but her husband’s health isn’t good. She would have loved that little one. So very sad to think of the suffering these babies go through. I’ve heard other stories like this.
13. Quaid
- 02/06/2009 4:25 pm CST
I, too, don't get it. There is no logic, whatsoever. We're talking a matter of minutes, right? Just several minutes earlier, it would have been a legal abortion and no one blinks. Otherwise, we're horrified?
I just don't get it. This doesn't pass the smell test. If this doesn't pose the abortion question as a matter of murder in the name of comfort, convenience and selfishness, I don't know what does.
14. Roy
- 02/06/2009 7:31 pm CST
Jared,
true that most people think of the mass murders of the 20th C as evil. That is, most people not living in the countries that did (or are now doing) those murders.
Some part of our thinking on the indescribable horror of legalized abortion has to recognize that most of our country is at peace with the practice. Some part of our thinking has to deal with the reality that national populations make transitions into thinking of some minority group as somehow not human, not worthy of outrage and even violent social rebellion at that group being tortured.
That is the shocking reality. Of sin.
18. jen
- 02/07/2009 9:51 am CST
Dear Lord, save us!
I'm with Brandi - 32 weeks pregnant and weeping for the little one so callously tossed away with the trash. I weep for the mother, too, when she realizes what she did.
20. Shrode
- 02/07/2009 1:30 pm CST
From what I read in the article, the Board of Medicine isn't shocked. They don't even care that a baby was killed. Instead the doctor is in trouble for:
committing medical malpractice, delegating responsibility to unlicensed personnel, and failing to keep an accurate medical record
Oh, they are being quite consistent. Keeping proper records is of course, more important than the life of a baby.
I have seen the Nazi's...and they are us.
21. Quaid
- 02/07/2009 6:55 pm CST
"I have seen the Nazi's...and they are us."
I'm not sure if that's a quote from something, but I am no Nazi.
This response from the medical board is probably all this guy could legally get in trouble for- right? I agree that their consistency is appalling, but it, at least, follows some logic (even though it's a skewed view of life).
23. Shrode
- 02/08/2009 6:46 am CST
Quaid,
I know you're not... it was a societal comment.
The parallels between abortion and the holocaust are, to me, chilling.
There were a lot of ordinary Germans who weren't Nazi's either...but to what extent were they responsible? It's a tough question with no easy answers.
But Quaid, you and I are a part of a society that kills unborn babies. And we redefine them as less than human in order to do that. I was also commenting on the "record keeping" angle. Man, does that remind me of the Nazi's.
So I guess my point was comparing what "we" are doing with abortion, and in this example, with what the Nazi's did.
And I don't know what he can legally get in trouble for, but according to the article there are no criminal charges pending. So yes, they are being consistent with themselves. Which was my point. It should be shocking on the same level that Nazi consistency, organization, record-keeping and efficiency is shocking.
Oh, and the "quote" is a rewording of the famous quote from the comic strip "Pogo" - "I have seen the enemy and he is us."
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No, we won't. Not apart from grace, that is. Not apart from the Spirit bringing revival.
Consider the genocides and mass murders of the 20th C. (If you think Nazis, you think small by orders of magnitude.) Other cultures than present day U.S. have not merely tolerated, but endorsed murder as normal.