"The most important aspect of Christianity is not the work we do, but the relationship we maintain and the surrounding influence and qualities produced by that relationship. That is all God asks us to give our attention to, and it is the one thing that is continually under attack. "

- Oswald Chambers, My Utmost For His Highest
A Question for the Ages

Footnotes or Endnotes?

Tell me in the comments, and feel free to elaborate as to why.

I asked in my Twitter feed, and here are some of the responses I've gotten:

1. @JLmulvaney @jaredcwilson endnotes = cleaner page

2. @northrup @jaredcwilson I vote footnotes, 9 times out of 10 I never bother to flip to the back unless I'm doing research. Then I gripe about flipping.

3. @JasonBlair @jaredcwilson Footnotes are great, but a happy compromise might be notes at the end of each chapter if there are too many per page.

4. @jasonboyett @jaredcwilson As a lover and frequent user of the footnote-with-sarcastic-aside, I definitely prefer them. End notes: too much trouble.

5. @diecast @jaredcwilson if you have something to say in them, then footnotes. if you mostly just list sources then endnotes. no absolute here.

6. @sayray85 @jaredcwilson I vote footnotes as well. I'll read them in your book!

7. @salguod_net @jaredcwilson Footnotes. Endnotes are too painful. i like 'em on the page I'm reading. Course, I'd go thru the effort for *your* endnotes.

8. @billwestreno @jaredcwilson Gotta go with footnotes. I hate having to take the time to find the endnotes and then march up the numbers...

9. @pwinn @jaredcwilson I prefer footnotes, definitely, unless said footnotes take more than a couple of lines at the bottom of a page. So it depends.

10. @thehaggard @jaredcwilson footnotes. I care, but not enough to be flippin' all the way to the end of something.

11. @Rae Whitlock @jaredcwilson Footnotes >>>>> Endnotes

12. @aarongrayum @jaredcwilson Footnotes



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Comments on "A Question for the Ages":
1. Les - 03/19/2009 4:55 pm CDT

I like footnotes for both comments and sources.

2. Andrew - 03/19/2009 5:02 pm CDT

Footnotes for everything.

3. Daniel Ross - 03/19/2009 5:11 pm CDT

If it's just sources, endnotes. If it's comments with or without sources, footnotes. (Klosterman's footnotes are often as funny as the main text).

4. Chestertonian Rambler - 03/19/2009 5:13 pm CDT

Footnotes. So much easier; so much more frequently read.

5. Jared - 03/19/2009 5:41 pm CDT

My theory is that people who care to read the notes prefer footnotes, and people who don't care to read notes don't care where they are. But I guess for people who don't read notes, having them at the end is preferable in terms of aesthetics.

The notes in my book are about 60% sarcastic/provocative or informative asides and 40% source citations.

And my feeling is that having the notes at the end drastically changes the dynamic of the book.

6. sara - 03/19/2009 5:57 pm CDT

footnotes for actual commentary. Endnotes for source notation.

7. Jared - 03/19/2009 5:58 pm CDT

Sara: You mean if the notes are consistently one way or the other, right?

I don't believe some at foot and some at end is an option for this project. Pretty sure it's got to be all one way or another.

8. Bird - 03/19/2009 9:29 pm CDT

Foot. Forever.

9. Mark Heath - 03/20/2009 2:43 am CDT

footnotes all the way

10. bif - 03/20/2009 6:42 am CDT

Put me down for footnotes.

11. Bob Sacamento - 03/20/2009 7:37 am CDT

footnotes

I actually know people who say they like end notes, because they feel obligated to read footnotes. That's how Philistine these end note people are.

12. Shrode - 03/20/2009 8:09 am CDT

end of chapter notes. Best of both worlds.

I always prefer those. That said, Jared if 60% of your notes are sarcastic comments or informative asides, then I think you have to do footnotes so that they will be read along with the text.

In my humble opinion, you don't have a choice. :)

But why isn't Sara's suggestion an option? Do your 60% notes that are comments or asides as footnotes and do all your source citations as endnotes or end of chapter notes. The footnotes could be letters of the alphabet indicating the note for that page (since you will never have more than 26 footnotes on a single page) and the endnotes could be marked with numbers.

Then just tell the reader in your prologue/intro (which footnote/endnote caring people actually read. People who don't care about footnotes and endnotes don't read the prologues anyway.) Explain in the prologue that numbered notes are source citations at the end of the chapter and that lettered notes are footnotes, and explain the distinction and why. And that'll be your chance to say, "Hey read my footnotes. They're good. Really."

13. Greg Smith - 03/20/2009 8:45 am CDT

If the government wanted to do something useful instead of bankrupting us forever, they would ban the use of all endnotes, whether they be at the end of the book or the end of the chapter. Footnotes are the only reasonable solution. Anything else adds too much trouble to the process. The people who like endnotes don't read them anyway. When I see a footnote number, a quick glance at the bottom of the page tells me all I need to know. Anyone who thinks differently is certifiably insane. My way or the highway.

Footnotes. Footnotes! FOOTNOTES!!!!
BWAAAHAAAAAAA.

Btw, why are those guys in the white jackets coming towards me?

14. Lars Walker - 03/20/2009 8:57 am CDT

Footnotes. I've always suspected that endnotes were invented simply because it used to be so hard to figure line count when writing research papers on a typewriter. But footnotes are easy with word processing, so why not cut the reader a break?

15. Les - 03/20/2009 9:04 am CDT

Bob Sacramento:
LOL. I blurted hot coffee. That was funny.

16. Karl - 03/20/2009 9:24 am CDT

I prefere footnotes what I'm reading isn't so heavily footnoted that the notes routinely take up a quarter or more of the page. In cases where the footnoting is that heavy I prefer endnotes, and I kind of like the compromise that has endnotes placed at the end of each chapter - I'm much more likely to actually read them than if all the endnotes are at the back of the book.

17. Karl - 03/20/2009 9:29 am CDT

"The notes in my book are about 60% sarcastic/provocative or informative asides and 40% source citations."

On the asides, I used to do a lot of that but had a writing mentor who was convinced that those sorts of things were either important enough to be in the main text, or shouldn't be included at all. Same with parentheticals. Outside of source citations, he urged that footnotes and parentheticals be used very sparingly. I still struggle with that advice because I have a strong tendency to make asides, but I usually find that his advice results in better, easier to read writing and that my wit or erudition either (a) wasn't all that necessary and didn't add as much as I thought it did, or (b) fits better within the text itself.

18. Quaid - 03/20/2009 10:03 am CDT

I prefer footnoting, for everything EXCEPT footnotes that are very long.

Sometimes footnotes that are long need to be in the text and other times, they are true asides. But when they are true asides, but very long, it distracts from the normal flow of reading.

I am reading a book right now that has chapter appendices. It's almost as if they've taken the long footnotes and made them more like endnotes (except they call them appendices). They number the appendices by chapter number and decimal points, so the three appendices at the end of chapter 12 would be numbered 12.1, 12.2 and 12.3, for example.

To sum up:
Footnotes all the way unless you have a very long footnote. In that case, create an appendix at the end of the chapter or some other chapter epilogue to flesh out thoughts.

19. Brandon Milan - 03/20/2009 10:19 am CDT

Footnotes. Nothing frustrates me more than endnotes.

20. The Ancient Mariner - 03/20/2009 11:02 am CDT

Footnotes, always; in books with endnotes, I wind up running two bookmarks and getting very wearied of flipping back and forth. In books where the endnotes are purely source material, I give up on checking them as I read, and then inevitably find myself wanting to track something down and getting quite frustrated. The only thing worse than endnotes are endnotes in a book where the author(s) figured that because they had endnotes, they could omit the bibliography and index.

Also, in defense of commentary in the footnotes: I was taught by my professors that that's where valuable tangential comments belong, so that they don't snarl the main thread of the text but are still available to readers if they're interested.

21. Melinda - 03/20/2009 11:10 am CDT

footnotes for comments; endnotes for citations. I especially like end of chapter notes for citations so I don't have to scramble through the back of the book

22. Richard Campeau - 03/20/2009 1:09 pm CDT

Footnotes. Always. Even for the very long ones.

23. Andrew - 03/20/2009 2:55 pm CDT

Did anyone read, The Third Policeman by Flann O'Brien? Best use of footnotes ever.

24. Bob Sacamento - 03/20/2009 4:16 pm CDT

Andrew,

So you're the other person who read that book. Glad to know you.

25. Manders - 03/21/2009 3:13 am CDT

Footnotes. It's a lot less annoying to look at the bottom of the page as opposed to the end of the chapter/book.

26. Blake - 03/22/2009 12:20 am CDT

Jared, if you use endnotes I will cry....alot....and a puppy may die....:(

27. Leslie31 - 03/22/2009 2:39 am CDT

I would try to either eliminate or absorb into the text as many of the asides as you can without changing the tone of the book, then do footnotes for comments and "Randomly Relevant Information," with chapter endnotes for bib stuff. Usually if you see footnotes and endnotes, the endnotes are at the back of the book, not chapters.

In my perfect world, the comments and RRI would be footnotes, recommended reading should be chapter endnotes, and sources should be a bibliography at the back of the book. People only need the numbers with the quotations for the bibliography.

Most people can comprehend "these are the books I randomly, yet relevantly, mentioned and/or paraphrased in this chapter" without the page number and everything you need for a direct quotation, as in the bibliography.

I hate flipping, too, and I like the "extra" stuff to be accessible up front. The back is for the stuff I already read in the text--if I'm really dying to know exactly where Jared got that little gem.

28. TG - 03/24/2009 8:39 pm CDT

End notes or foot notes. . . either is fine. Just make them plentiful and meaty and interesting. And by all means avoid in-text citations which disrupt the flow of the prose. (APA style was designed by someone who didn't care about the need for good research to also be a good read.)

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