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Does Your Pastor Wear A Tie?

I'm currently studying generational differences especially in regards to what the different generations prefer in church.

There are 4 generations: Builders (age 64 and older)Boomers (age 45-63), Busters (age 26-44) and Millenials(ages 7-24)

The biggest generation gap seems to be between the Builders and the other three.

Builders prefer hymnals, the other three prefer screens.

Builders want paper in their hands (like a bulletin or Sunday School quarterly), the other three don't.

Older Builders don't believe in co-ed Sunday School, the younger builders and the other three go to couples Sunday School classes.

Builders wear ties and dresses to church because "God wants you to give your best to him." The other three value authenticity and being comfortable.

Builders want to be recognized when they visit a church, the other three want to be anonymous.

Builders value sending their money to support missions. The other three value doing missions themselves.

Builders go to church because that's what you are supposed to do. The other three go because of what they get out of it.

What other differences are there?

But more importantly, tell me about your church. I want to know:

Does Your Pastor Wear A Tie?

Seriously. Tell me under comments. What does your pastor wear on Sunday morning?

Being a multi-generational church is a challenge.

How does your church reach the younger generations without offending the older? Or maybe your church doesn't worry about offending the older, especially if it's a newer church that was started for the purpose of reaching the younger three generations. Be honest. What we want to be doing and what we actually are doing are not always the same thing.

Let me learn from you. I'm listening...

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Comments on "Does Your Pastor Wear A Tie?":
1. Jared - 09/23/2009 8:58 am CDT

The median age of the church I pastor is mid-50s but we have been experiencing rapid growth among young adults and families in the last 4-5 months. The Builders are a significant influence in the church.

That said, I wear whatever I want usually. I only own one suit and that's for funerals and weddings. :-)

I typically wear jeans and a button-up shirt or sweater or something. It's casual, but I'm not up there in a T-shirt and ball cap, if you know what I mean.

But, then, the dress at our church in general is casual, including among the old folks. I think it's the area we're in. Lots of blue collar folk, etc.

2. jen - 09/23/2009 9:03 am CDT

My pastor does not wear a tie. He usually wears jeans and some kind of casual shirt. He is in his mid-50s.

The median age in our church has to be in the 30-40s. There are not a lot of Builders and the ones we have are leaving, I think. And that's a shame.

That said, my husband is technically a Boomer, but he's a Builder in spirit. He's old school - prefers the hymnal and bulletin and wears a tie to church most of the time. I joke all the time that I married my grandfather - this proves it!

3. Bob Sacamento - 09/23/2009 9:10 am CDT

No tie. But if you had asked me a year ago, when we were in a different church, I would have said tie, suit, and perfectly coiffed hair!

How does your church reach the younger generations without offending the older? Or maybe your church doesn't worry about offending the older, especially if it's a newer church that was started for the purpose of reaching the younger three generations.

The church we are at now was started decades ago, before anyone thought about reaching particular generations. They do the nowadays popoular thing of having the "traditional" service two hours before sunrise. (Yes, I'm exaggerating.) Other than that, I can't see any concession to the builders at all, except for taking their money, of course. That seems to be the way in evangelicalism now. I think it's kind of sad.

4. Jeff the Baptist - 09/23/2009 9:49 am CDT

Tie? Normally. The pastor giving the sermon typically wears a suit and tie. The pastors who don't typically wear sportcoats and may not wear ties. Our ushers in the traditional services still dress up in a coat and tie. Our ushers in the contemporary services dress down more, but still try to look presentable and rarely wear jeans.

5. Josh - 09/23/2009 9:52 am CDT

I am a member of the Salvation Army, so my pastor ("Officer" in Salvation Army speak) wears a uniform, complete with tie (for male pastors, for female pastors there is no tie, although there is a neck pin). As a member ("soldier" in Salvation Army speak) I have a similar uniform, although my trim is blue, not red.

The link is a picture of the leader of the Salvation Army ("General") in his uniform. It's distinguished by the metalic border around the epaulettes.

http://www1.salvationarmy.org/ihq/www_ihq_general.nsf/vw-dynamic-index/F555C0D606F267EC802571FB004F6238?openDocument

6. Lars Walker - 09/23/2009 10:04 am CDT

My present pastor wears a clerical collar. My former pastor (same church body) wore a tie. I don't think I'd be comfortable in a church where the pastor dressed informally for worship.

Although I'm a Boomer, I make it a point to dress like a Builder on Sundays (although my beard and longish hair spoil the effect a bit).

7. Saya - 09/23/2009 10:28 am CDT

I'm 27 and like hymnals because I like being able to read the music on unfamiliar songs... Just wanted to add that...

8. jen - 09/23/2009 10:41 am CDT

I meant to add that my church has been around for almost 80 years. Our pastor has been here for 20+ years. As far as I know he's been avant garde that whole time.

9. Evan - 09/23/2009 11:07 am CDT

Amen Saya.

All those years of learning to read music in band and choir in school, and now most churches adopt a method where you have to guess at the notes if you don't already know the tune.

I'm a buster, but my heart is often with the builders.

10. Weekend Fisher - 09/23/2009 11:53 am CDT

A robe and a stole. Roughly 2000 years with hardly a change in dress code. ;)

Take care & God bless
WF

11. Michele - 09/23/2009 12:06 pm CDT

I go to a large church, a Calvary Chapel, but it's rather unusual, quite Reformed. Our pastors don't run with other Calvary pastors, but attend conferences of diverse leaders. (Driscoll, Begg, etc.)
Pastor always wears a button-up shirt, song-leaders, everyone around pulpit dress the same: modest, medium, stylish, but not over-kill. Sort of Target quality.
We have a pretty even mix of ages, which I like. The last church I attended was all Boomers--we needed way more wisdom.

12. Wickle - 09/23/2009 2:38 pm CDT

A tie? Are you kidding? We consider him dressed up if he's wearing SOCKS!

Occasionally, yes, he wears a tie. I haven't yet discerned the pattern.

It has little to do with age levels -- we're pretty well mixed with a good many seniors and a real heart toward reaching the college in our city (UNH - Durham, a population of over 10,000).

He's from California ... what can you say?

13. Raindream - 09/23/2009 3:09 pm CDT

I believe my pastors wear ties, but you can't see them under the robes. I think my worship leader does not, but again you can't tell. Any elder who reads from the platform or serves communion must have a tie and jacket.

About your other points, I'm a Buster or Gen-X, and I don't fit your model.

I prefer hymnals over screens, especially when I don't know the song.

If you don't hand out bulletins, how do you give people event info, registration forms, and responsive reading content?

"Older Builders don't believe in co-ed Sunday School, the younger builders and the other three go to couples Sunday School classes." Wow, I've never thought of segregated classes as a normal program. We have classes that are more or less age-based because that's who everyone seems to think, but many of us go wherever we want. The oldest class has many young couples who want to be surrounded by the oldest people in our congregation.

"Builders wear ties and dresses to church . . ." I do too, probably because I always have. Others in our church probably want to be comfortable.

"Builders want to be recognized when they visit a church, the other three want to be anonymous." I don't understand this. All I hear is that people want to find friendly people at church. A young woman who is new of our church told me she stayed with us because we talked to her more than anywhere else she went.

"Builders value sending their money to support missions. The other three value doing missions themselves." I'd like to know what my church thinks about this.

"Builders go to church because that's what you are supposed to do. The other three go because of what they get out of it." Yeah, gotta love that spiritual buzz. How many non-builders go to church on Wednesdays and Sunday evenings?

14. Milly - 09/23/2009 3:10 pm CDT

He did when he was an associate minister but our minister told him that we had a dress code, he was over dressed. Now that he's the lead he doesn't wear a tie

15. Bird - 09/23/2009 4:47 pm CDT

My pastor never wears a tie on Sunday mornings. He usually wears something like khaki pants and button down shirt.

16. Cara - 09/23/2009 5:01 pm CDT

My pastor either wears a suit, or a suit jacket - no jeans while preaching but if you go in during the week he's in casual clothes.

We have an earlier service that caters to more of the "older" generation, but honestly I don't see a lot of difference between the services. They get the same message, the amount of worship time is just shorter. All music is up on screens, there are hymnals in the pews but honestly I can't think of the last time they sang a hymn. I think that's a shame, there are so many really great hymns (for the record I'm 33)

Our focus tends to be younger families and youth. Our big millions-of-dollars-expansion is geared towards providing more room for Sunday School classrooms and youth facilities.

I'm in Canada if that makes any difference to your stats.

17. dani - 09/23/2009 6:00 pm CDT

I go to a large Baptist church that has a large number of members from all four groups. I fit the Buster age group. I’m 41. My pastor wears a tie to the more traditional service and takes it off for the contemporary service. Sometimes he has a sport coat on; sometimes a sweater vest. I don’t think I’ve ever seen him in jeans. His wife always wears a pant suit. I’m glad my pastor doesn’t go out of his way to show how young he is (he is in his late thirties) and to fit in with only the younger generations. Our members wear whatever they want, but most are dressed somewhat conservatively with the ladies either in slacks or dresses/skirts and the men in jeans/slacks and a nice shirt. Some of the men still wear suits, but not too many. My husband sometimes wears jeans to church (and he teaches SS) but he almost always wears a button down shirt or at least a shirt with a collar. Sometimes when he is feeling hip he will ask me if he can leave his shirt un-tucked. I advise him to tuck it in. It is a respect thing and he has to interact regularly with men and women from all the generations so I feel it is better to be tucked than not. (I do allow my boys to leave their shirts un-tucked though.) My husband usually wears slacks. He only wears a suit when he has to serve the Lord’s Supper or has been told to wear a suit (he is a deacon). We get a bulletin on Sunday, but I never look at it. We also get the bulletin emailed to us (or used to). I never looked at it either. In the church bulletin there is also a little paper for sermon notes with blanks to fill in. I personally go to church because I’m supposed to and because I love to be there. I do not go to church for what I can get out of it. I go with the expectation to give and not get – if I happen to “get” something out of it in return I’m thankful, but I would go anyway. Our pastor reaches the younger generation without offending the older generation by being considerate of both and encouraging both groups to love and respect each other. He makes sure that he sits firmly in the middle of both groups without leaning to much toward either side. He also makes changes in the church slowly. One of the best things he did for our more mature members was to bring in a wonderful worship leader for them who has a vibrant old fashioned personality and a passion for the old hymns. He practically single handedly revitalized the dwindling Builder group. I think the guy he brought in is in his early thirties.

18. bif - 09/23/2009 6:13 pm CDT

I attend an Anglican church where the Priests and Deacons wear robes and stoles so it is very difficult to see what they are wearing underneath. I sometimes see one of the deacons wearing sandals.

I'm a young boomer I like the hymns as I don't always know the tunes of the new songs and the singing isn't lead by a "song leader, worship leader, or praise team". We have all ages in church from 4 or 5 to 90 plus.

19. Jared - 09/23/2009 6:42 pm CDT

Realized I didn't answer any other questions you asked, Phil. :-)

We do a bulletin and nobody seems to wish otherwise, old or young.

We have blended worship, with 4-5 "contemporary" worship songs led by a band but these songs are more of the hymnic type, with strong theo-centric lyrics, developed verses, etc, and not much of the repetition or superficiality or triteness of lots of other modern praise songs, and then we usually have 3 hymns.

The band consists of one young lady who is 15 and then 4-5 other adults who are all over 50. :-)

The hymns are led by one of those men who plays our pipe organ.

Both young and old like the mix just fine: we have no worship style conflict going on, but of course older folks like the older stuff more and younger folks like the younger stuff more, but b/c we're all family we enjoy enjoying what the other appreciates more.

We try to reach the younger generations without offending the older by not jettisoning good, solid ministry and church stuff "just because" it seems "old."
On the other hand, we don't cling to stuff just because it's old either. Tradition for tradition's sake doesn't help anyone.

And then of course I do my best not to show preferential treatment to anyone. I've already gone on record saying I can't carry the student ministry banner to the exclusion of ministering to the rest of the congregation. Nobody has outlived their usefulness, as it appears so in lots of churches that are obsessed with youth.

Btw: The only comments I've gotten about my casual dress have been from older folks (as in, over 60) who are glad I dress "down" because they do too.
But of course these are "salt of the earth" people here: carpenters, road crew workers, dairy farmers, etc.

20. Thirsty Bear - 09/23/2009 10:47 pm CDT

I believe I go to the same church as Dani.
Our church has 3 services and the evening service is more contemporary and egdy then the two morning services. Our pastor wears jeans in the evening. As I act as Service Director for all three services, I notice our Pastor uses pertinent examples geared to each group. For instance...in the Builder service, our Pastor may reference Leave it to Beaver...for the other three categories he may refer to Cosby/Simpsons. Johnny Carson vs. Jay Leno.

21. salguod - 09/23/2009 10:47 pm CDT

I'm 41 as is my minister. He wears a coat and tie every Sunday, unless we're outdoors at a park. I'm one of the song leaders and I rarely wear a tie, but never wear jeans either.

We are a mixed congregation of around 120. A handful of 60+ year olds, a hand full of campus students and a mix of folks in between. A healthy mix for a 13 year old church, we are blessed.

22. Daniel Ross - 09/24/2009 8:07 am CDT

We're a Chrisitan church (of the non-denom., Restoration Movement variety).

Music is basically rock n roll in style because our congregation is a majority - but not all - blue-collar congregation that would much rather listen to Hank Williams, Johnny Cash, Lynyrd Skynrd and AC/DC than a pipe organ (if you're going to Mexico to be a missionary, you probably ought to speak Spanish). We just make sure that the lyrics are theologically sound and meaningful (for instance, we do "How Deep The Father's Love For Us" quite often but with a heavy kick drum throughout and an epic ending musically). We do about 70% new songs (a few originals) and 30% hymns re-worked to fit style. The older generation really appreciates this and it teaches the younger generation these great songs.

We still have bulletins. I don't think anyone cares one way or the other about that. The bulletins are pretty sparse, actually.

We don't have Sunday School but do offer an adult Bible study on Sunday a.m. in between our two services (we offer classes on Sunday nights and we have small groups during the week in people's homes).

We are a 9-year-old church so we "get away" with a lot more than other congregations can.

Our pastors usually wear nice shirts with khakis - they have gotten away from wearing ties. I am the music worship leader and I wear what I am comfortable in - usually a plain, nice t-shirt and jeans. I have no hair to put into a faux-hawk though. :-)

23. Bob Sacamento - 09/24/2009 9:09 am CDT

Raindream,

"Builders wear ties and dresses to church . . ." I do too, probably because I always have.

Ties and dresses? How is that working out for you?

24. dani - 09/24/2009 4:45 pm CDT

Thirsty Bear, You are too funny! I just saw you last Sunday! (Did you know that we had 47 in class last week? Just wanted to throw that out there - we are as big as some small churches! Yea!) I didn't know that Pastor wears jeans at night. Guess that shows that I haven’t been at night in a long time. Thanks for the correction. About generations - in one of the last sermons Pastor Gregg mentioned Auschwitz (do you remember?) and a lady of our generation but a bit younger leaned over and asked me what that was. If you remember, he was comparing/contrasting the killing of cattle to what happened at Auschwitz and stating how they simply do not compare - guess the whole thing was lost on her. It made me wonder just how many other young folk were as lost as her and had to go home and do a Google search. Did you agree with what I said about First? You know the inner workings pretty well. (Just don’t say anything negative or Mark will be upset with both of us and I will get the brunt of it for even stopping over here to comment. LOL. As you know, he loves our church dearly and would just about die for it.)

25. Thirsty Bear - 09/24/2009 6:53 pm CDT

dani-I would never put you at the brunt end of conversation. I have nothing negative to say. I absolutely agree with your observation on our mega-church. The young lady who was clueless on Auschwitz does not surprise me. I do hope that there is a desire to "google" or research facts presented from the pulpit.

26. Raindream - 09/24/2009 8:47 pm CDT

Well . . . my wardrobe is a bit limited . . . in some ways.

27. Scott - 09/25/2009 8:31 am CDT

Our pastors don't wear ties. We go to a Presbyterian Church (PCA). Ours is a good mix of age groups. We have Builders who dress down and Boomers who dress up and vice versa.

Lyrics get put up on the projector.

One of the things we're working on is "cross generational mentoring". It's annoying that a)there's a phrase for that and b) that we have to work on something that's so clearly Biblical, but hey at least we're going in the right direction.

28. Christine - 10/03/2009 10:25 pm CDT

No ties at my church in Austin, TX but a lot of folks prefer pews and hymnals. (Though the hymnal thing is more rare vs. screens.

However, there seems to be very little generational angst and a wide variety of older and younger. I think one of the keys for this is a strong commitment to prayer. At my parent's church there is a lot of frustration between generations, both perceiving the other doesn't care about them..... Maybe churches need to address this insecurity head on? Is the older generation serving the younger and is the younger generation serving the older?

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