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Is The Tide Really Changing?

Most Americans are against abortion now.

A majority of Americans now say they oppose abortion rights, according to a Gallup poll released today. It is the first time since the polling outfit began asking the question in 1995 that a majority of Americans have held that position.


I wonder why it changed. Theories?

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Comments on "Is The Tide Really Changing?":
1. Chestertonian Rambler - 06/05/2009 4:51 pm CDT

Obama's election seems the only big thing to have happened lately. Since the change only was significant in Republican or Republican-leaning members of the population, I think the 1-year shift may be the result of conservatives becoming concerned about liberalism as represented in our president.

2. Bob Sacamento - 06/05/2009 4:57 pm CDT

I've heard this alot, and I believe the accuracy of the bare number, but I wish there were more details given. I know that for the entire history of the question, an unarguable majority of people either want abortion banned outright or want it allowed only under extreme circumstances.

3. Jared - 06/05/2009 7:01 pm CDT

I think technology may have something to do with it. Not all, but something.
We can see babies in utero in 3D now. More education -- the cry of the safe sex crowd -- has backfired a bit in that more people are seeing that unborn babies look like babies.

4. Hobo - 06/05/2009 10:59 pm CDT

But the actual breakdown changes the message.

22%: Abortion should always be legal
15%: Abortion should be legal most of the time
37%: Abortion should be legal some of the time
23%: Abortion should be illegal

... So really, only 23% are probably in agreement with what most of you would term "pro-life".

5. jen - 06/06/2009 8:35 am CDT

Hobo, there are a lot of pro-lifers who believe that abortion in the cases of rape/incest should be allowed.

6. Jared - 06/06/2009 8:35 am CDT

And some who make exceptions for medical difficulties threatening the life of the mother.

7. Hobo - 06/06/2009 9:19 am CDT

I stand corrected; thanks for those comments. In all of the passion I hear from the pro-life side it's hard to remember there are shades of intensity.

8. Ugo - 06/06/2009 9:19 am CDT

Hobo, there are a lot of pro-lifers who believe that abortion in the cases of rape/incest should be allowed.


but the problem is taht only very few of abortions carried out are for the above reason. 90% of abortions (don't quote me) are done simply because the child is a 'complication' to the parents' lives. that's what they call 'choice'

9. Quaid - 06/06/2009 10:07 am CDT

Personally, I think the Obama campaign/election is what turned the tide. Specifically, as Obama was courting (religious?) conservatives, he began to speak out against abortion as a societal problem. Notice he never spoke out against its legality or as an option, in general, but readily admitted that we ought, as a society, aim to increase adoptions relative to abortions.

This really upset the pro-choicers, but why? He never apologized or backtracked on his extremely pro-choice stances that he's taken throughout his political career. They were upset, because their candidate inflicted a chink in their armor. When Obama openly argued that abortion is undesirable, he reflected negativity on the practice.

I think this one sentiment was enough to begin the swing - even though no practical changes were ever argued or implicated by his campaign comments or later election to office.

I think the shift in opinion occurred, ironically, because of the most pro-choice President in the history of our nation.

10. Bill - 06/06/2009 10:30 am CDT

Good thoughts, all.

Quaid - isn't Obama's line almost exactly the same as Bill Clinton's? Remember, he wanted abortions to be "safe, legal, and rare". He also, like Obama, pledged (and then, thankfully, betrayed his pledge) to push for and sign the Freedom of Choice Act (FOCA).

Pro-choice groups fall for that campaign promise hook, line, and sinker every four years.

I think you have a point, but I'm not sure that it's anything Obama said. It's more the raising of awareness of his partial birth abortion support and - far more chillingly and importantly - his opposition to the Illinois Born Alive legislation that got people thinking about the heinousness of abortion.

I think even the Tiller murder could have a similar effect (note: I'm already on record that that murder was heinous as well) - people are outraged at the murder, but also perhaps puzzling over the fact that Tiller was one of only (if I have this right) three doctors in the nation performing partial birth abortions. Only three - I think people begin to mull that number in their head. Why only three? Because it's such a heinous procedure, that's why.

11. Quaid - 06/06/2009 2:41 pm CDT

I agree that Clinton was very much the same, but isn't it true that the last time that the polls reflected this majority was during Clinton's first term? Maybe it's not coincidence.

I remember talking about (on this blog?) how the abortion debate was all but non-existent in the campaigns, falling far behind the economy and foreign policy. Obama's courting of the right brought it back to the forefront.

12. Bob Sacamento - 06/07/2009 4:53 pm CDT

Hobo sort of, and maybe unwittingly, got to my initial point. The break down that he gives, which is accurate, has not really changed much over the years, except that the "some of the time" and "illegal" categories have gained a little bit of ground. A clear majority of Americans have always wanted major restrictions placed on abortion. But, for some reason, a majority is now willing to accept the pro-life label.

13. The Ancient Mariner - 06/07/2009 10:54 pm CDT

I posted my thoughts on one reason for this shift here.

Also, I should note that in my experience, even many of those who just say "abortion should be illegal" would allow exceptions for urgent medical necessity, to save the life of the mother. That's a vanishingly small percentage of abortions, though, as noted; the Guttmacher Institute stats I remember are old, but they showed that the hard cases (rape, incest, and threat to the life of the mother) accounted collectively for less than 6% of all abortions.

14. Hobo - 06/08/2009 9:49 am CDT

Ancient Mariner,

Can anyone help me here on this? If the illegal-23% are actually permissive regarding rape/incest, doesn't that mean that the "real" pro-life people are as I said earlier, mostly in that 23% (ie more of a minority than the poll might lead someone to think)?

15. Bob Sacamento - 06/08/2009 12:32 pm CDT

Can anyone help me here on this? ... doesn't that mean that the "real" pro-life people are ... mostly in that 23% (ie more of a minority than the poll might lead someone to think)?

I'll try again. For years now, those who think abostion should be 100% verbotten plus those who think there should be severe restrictions on it, have made up way more than 50% of the electorate. A clear majority. For years.

Calling the 23% the "real" pro-life people is a choice of words -- a choice. This is an unfortunate choice in my mind, and one that both the left and the right have bought into -- the left so they can say, "Only twenty some per cent of the population is pro life," the right so that they can preserve their ideological purity.

As I see it, the desire to make abortion illegal except in that 6% of the cases AM referenced makes one pro-life for all intents and purposes. According to the Gallup results, alot of other people must be starting to see it the same way.

Attitudes haven't changed that much. Most of America has always been skittish to one degree or another about abortion. That's just the fact of the matter. What has changed is that more people are now willing to adopt the pro-life label. I don't really know why that is. But I think that the difference between the "real" pro-lifers, who want to make 100% of all abortions illegal, and the "other" pro-lifers, who want to make 94% of them illegal is, well, only 6%.

16. Hobo - 06/08/2009 2:14 pm CDT

Bob,

I'll try again.

I understand your opinions about abortion. And I understand that several of you have explained that many or most pro-lifers would want exceptions for incest/rape.

Here is what I was asking about:

Earlier in the conversation, a few people wrote that pro-life could and often does mean exceptions-are-ok for incest/rape.

So I took that to mean that the "pro-life" group (23%) and the "legal sometimes" group (37%) are all really "pro-life" because the "legal-sometimes" must be these pro-lifers who want exceptions. That puts pro-life as high as 60%.

So then TAM pointed out that people in the 23% group might actually generally want those incest/rape kinds of exceptions.

So I realized maybe these exceptions-are-ok types are actually (at least partially?) in the 23% group. Which means there are not as many of them in the 37% group. How many of the 23% would allow exceptions? How many in the 37% actually call themselves pro-life? Seems like maybe the 23% group is shared by the never-allow-abortions and the exceptions-are-ok types.

So I was asking - have I got this wrong? I was not a big statistics student but this all seems fuzzy and I'm not sure the conclusions are as obvious as they are being presented.

17. Bob Sacamento - 06/08/2009 2:23 pm CDT

Hobo,

OK, I think we are approaching something like understanding. Yes, if you say pro-life is only the "always illegal" option then 23% does not equal 51% and something is wrong. But if you say pro-life is "always illegal" plus "usually illegal", then that gets you sixty some per cent, which doesn't equal 51% either. So, yes there is something odd here. I agree.

I was trying to say that it seems to be that more of the "usually illegal" folks are, for reasons unknown to me, now willing to accept the "pro-life" label. There's no denying that most Americans have always wanted severe restrictions on abortion ("severe restrictions" or even complete elimination). That has been clear from the stats for years. But how this new particular result fits into that picture is, I admit, somewhat mysterious to me, and I think I understand why you have questions.

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