Whichever side you come down most on, isn't it great that these two distinct theological giants can disagree charitably and while affirming they are Christian brothers?

I guess, but I really want to see this thing settled in a cage match.

As long as neither is wearing a wrestler's unitard.

Yes, I miss my college days when a group of us, all from different cultures would sit in a room and debate myriads of minor and major subjects, political, theological, and philosophical. There would be shouting, gesturing, mild expletives, razzing, and laughter. Then we'd all go out to dinner and bowling.

Now you can't criticize an idea without having to apologize profusely for offending someone. People are so emotionally entwined with their opinions about everything they can't tell where ego ends and idea begins.

Gives me a headache.

It's called a "singlet" Jared - yikes, disrespecting my old HS sport!!

Jared: every time I close my eyes, now, that is what I will see. The horror, the horror.

Les: gosh, you're so right. I blame the internet: people only ever hear different versions of their own opinions and fevered screeds against their enemies, and when they actually do encounter someone of the opposite opinion they can't possibly imagine that the other person doesn't want to eat their children and destroy their civilisation.

One of the many nice things about Thinklings is the chaps who run it seem to have created an atmosphere where we can disagree about stuff (I know I've disagreed with you a million times on here, for instance) and still be BREDRIN!

Which is cool.

nhe, I like to call it a unitard, mainly b/c it has the "tard" bit in there.

yes........Jared, I've lurked long enough around here to know.....and, sigh......I keep coming back.

Why? Don't you know I want to eat children and destroy civilization? :-)