- Rick Warren
Well, I finished the second Harry Potter book. I'm going through each of them in order FOR THE FIRST TIME! Will you talk about this one with me under comments?
I liked it a lot. Here are some things that struck me:
Just to repeat the rules. Please discuss this with me under comments. But no references to books AFTER this one please. Don't spoil it for me.
Spoiler Alert: If you haven't read this book yet, read on at your own risk.
This one was as good as the first. As a refresher, it starts with Dobby, the house elf warning Harry about going back to Hogwarts.
It also was a reminder to me of how horrid the Dursley's are. I was disturbed by their treatment of Harry in this book, even more than in the first. What Rowling is describing here is child abuse in my opinion, and I wondered how a 10 year old reader would take these descriptions.
One thing that disappointed me a little was that the plot was similar to the first one. Harry is trying to find something hidden at Hogwarts. And again it is hidden under the school. And again, when he finds it, he must confront Voldemore. Sigh. Like a movie sequel that is trying to duplicate it's success, it's like retelling the same story. End criticism.
It was still an excellent book. Speaking of horrid, Snape's a jerk. But apparently he's a competent wizard, showing the kids the disarming spell, "Expeliarmus", which gets used a bunch in book 3 - The Prisoner of Azkaban. (Confession: I just finished that one too, I'm just late on this post.)
Again, in this book, Rowling shows a great sense of humor. Gilderoy Lockhart is a great character. She does a great job of showing that he is a pompous, incompetent, self-centered fool, without ever having to say so. And just when you think he can't get anymore audacious, he's autographing copies of his textbook for students. (I checked to see who played him in the move. Kenneth Branagh?!?! No! I think that guy's a great actor and all, but that's not who I pictured. I imagined the long haired blonde guy from Die Hard 1 and the Money Pit.) Count that as bad professor #2 for the "Defense against the Dark Arts".
The Weasley family is awesome. Fred and George rock the Casbah. Who wouldn't want to live with them? I was so surprised when Harry went back to live with the Dursley's at the end of the book. The Weasleys would obviously welcome him. It seems like a bit of dishonest story telling for him to keep going back to the Dursley's. It's like she has to keep the formula of the first few chapters being how miserable Harry is at the Dursley's followed by going to Diagon Alley for school supplies.
Another thing that impressed me about this book was the surprises. I was not expecting the ending at all. Rowling is obviously good at that, and I'm curious to see how that will continue in the later books. I never saw Ginny Weasley coming or Tom Riddle either for that matter.
It's interesting how objects from the first book become important in the next - like the sorting hat. My understanding is that Rowling does even more of that as the series continues. (but don't tell me!)
Is it just me or is Quidditch sort of a pointless game? Here's what I mean by that: the way Rowling has the rules set up, whoever gets the snitch wins the game. Period. Though theoretically, throwing the quaffle through the hoops, could outweigh the 150 points that the Snitch wins, but that's never how it turns out. It basically comes down to which seeker catches the snitch first. It doesn't seem to much matter what the other players do. This makes Harry pretty important obviously, but eliminates Quidditch as a team sport. It seems to be a lot more of a one on one contest in reality, seeker vs. seeker.
What did you think of Book 2?
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"This makes Harry pretty important obviously, but eliminates Quidditch as a team sport."
Even if it scoring was all about the Seeker (which it mostly is) the Bludgers and therefore the Beaters can be used to effect the Seeker's play. It doesn't make the most sense, but Football is similar in that the Quarterback is the most important offense player and much of play on both sides effectively centers around him.
The real reason it doesn't work as a real spectator sport is that there are too many balls. Where do you watch when you have Seekers circling, bludgers flying, and the quaffle to keep track of? You are constantly going to be missing things.
"I was so surprised when Harry went back to live with the Dursley's at the end of the book."
Harry is under age and the Dursleys are still his legal family.
The Dursleys – I agree their treatment of Harry is awful, but I don’t think it crosses the line into being something that a 10 year old shouldn’t read about. Kids are surprisingly able to handle the fact that bad things happen in the world – especially if they’ve been helped to that realization in age appropriate ways as they grow up, rather than being sheltered from that knowledge completely. Look at Dickens’ writings – even A Christmas Carol and Oliver Twist. I tend to think of those 2 books nostalgically and think kids should read/hear and enjoy them, but they contain harsh realities that are worse than anything the Dursleys did to poor Harry. And the Narnia stories have elements of school bullying, a very messed up family for Diggory Kirk including his Uncle Andrew, etc. I think kids can handle it, and not only that but I think some of that (exposure to the existence of real badness, even in places that should be safe) is good for them if properly handled.
In a book full of memorable and wonderfully drawn characters, I think Severus Snape may be Rowling’s best creation. It is so much fun hating him, but he’s not just a 2 dimensional villain.
As hinted at in the comment above, lots of things in early books that seem inexplicable, will bear fruit or be explained in later books. Also, lots of seemingly insignificant details in early books take on new significance in later books – either serious plot significance or else just fun déjà vu significance. Like the identity of the person who lent Hagrid the flying motorcycle that Hagrid rides in book 1. At the time it’s just a throwaway name, but in book 3 (which I’ll mention since you say you’ve already read it), the fact that “young Sirius Black” lent the motorcycle to Hagrid back in book 1 is an eye-opener and just another cool detail to furnish the story with. Same kind of thing with the Sorting Hat as you mention.
Rowling’s ability to avoid becoming formulaic or predictable, and to keep on surprising with plot twists, is impressive.
I had the same reaction to Quidditch – feeling like what the chasers and keepers did was for the most part extraneous and pointless. I enjoyed reading about the matches, etc. But Rowling doesn’t really “get” team sports and I think that’s reflected here. But in her defense, you can also write it off as “it’s a wizard thing – Muggles just wouldn’t get it.” And the point spread thing could, on rare occasion, come into play in a very lopsided game.
In all, as I was reading them in order, book 2 was plenty good enough to bring me back for more in book 3. But I did feel like it followed too closely the plot-steps of book 1 and feared “oh no, is every book going to follow this same pattern?” I loved the character Dobby, and Harry’s ploy to free him. The fact that Lucius Malfoy would plant the diary the way he did, took him up several notches on the villain scale for me. I still maintain that book 2 is probably the “weakest” (relatively speaking) of the 7 books. But in hindsight after reading the rest of the series and then re-reading book 2, it is one of the books that is most loaded with things that crop up in, or have significance bearing upon, the later books.
1) yes - there is reasons to everything in the books - do not doubt it... Well reason to everything but the unexplainable "missing 24 hours" during the events of Oct 31, 1981(?) (I'm not sure that book 1 is where we see it because I don't remember noticing it myself, but in the events that took place when Harry was a baby, there is a 24 hour period unaccounted for that JK Rowling has admitted she goofed and that she is going to have to figure out what happened - Apologies if this did end up being something from a later book or if you'd rather not know that Jo didn't intend for it)
2) I have heard rumor that Hugh Grant turned down the chance to play Professor Lockhart...
3) It is very unlikely in hogwarts level play that it would be more than just who gets the snitch, but given that somewhere we're told of games that stretched on for days in quiddich history - I have always heard it understood that it would be much different in professional play. Plus - when you think about it - compared to most school sports - each team at Hogwarts really plays very few games - so it makes it even less likely that we'll see a game where the rest of the team gets to make more of a difference in the score...
Forgot to comment on Lockhart. Yes, a hilarious and wonderfully written character. The youngest readers might miss some of the subtlety and not realize at first just how self-centered and shallow he really is. But even they will have caught on to what a vain fraud he is by the end.
I too would never have imagined casting Branagh (who I think of in his Shakesperean roles) for the part. But I think he does a great job of it in the movie. I am chuckling just thinking about it.
I enjoyed the flying car bit, beginning with the escape from the Dursleys, through Molly Weasley's outrage, Ron's not-so-good idea to use it as transportation to Hogwarts leading to the car crash into the whomping willow, the angry car disappearing into the forbidden forest to go wild/feral, Harry and Ron's inglorious re-entry into Hogwarts complete with being greeted by Snape, and Snape's outrage at their not being expelled. Also loved Ron's snapped wand and the part it played throughout the story, culiminating in Lockhart's backfiring memory spell.
Kenneth Branagh is great in that role. :) J.K. Rowling apparently based Lockhart on a person she knows, and says she didn't have to change very much (rather unfortunate for that person, eh?).
There's a super-good reason why Harry keeps going back to the Dursleys, but you'll find that out soonish, I think. As other folks have said, there's a lot that will start making sense the further you get along.
Snape is one of the most interesting fictional characters ever. (And Alan Rickman plays him in the movies, which makes me a happy, happy kid.)
(I write this not having read any comments yet ... sorry if I'm going back over territory here.)
I agree with you that the book did seem formulaic in the looking-for-something-under-Hogwarts plotline. Trust me, it gets better.
As for the Dursleys and their treatment of Harry ... it happens in kidlit a lot. It's actually a common device used to emphasize the differences between the world in which the hero is stuck and the possibility of the future. As for the trauma of reading such abusive behavior ... bear in mind your fairy tales. Cinderella? Hansel and Gretel?
The abuse is so far over the top as to be clearly fantastic.
I agree that Prof. Snape is both a jerk and a brilliant wizard. He's one of the best characters in the series, methinks. It's exactly that duality that makes him so. You want to hate him, but you know that he's important.
Lockhart is a well-written character, and Rowling clearly understood the "show, don't tell" concept. She shows it, and doesn't say it outright because she doesn't need to.
I would have liked to have seen Quidditch altered a bit. Yes, it does more or less come down to the Seekers. The rest is sort of a distraction while the Seekers go at it. At the same time, such a match would be quite an exercise in multi-tasking!
Jeff the Baptist wrote in response to my question about why Harry keeps going back to the Dursleys:
Harry is under age and the Dursleys are still his legal family.
Yes. I know that's the reason within the book's world. But it's not consistent. This is a fantasy book. After Harry runs away in a flying car to live with the Weasley's in book 2, and runs away in the middle of the night after blowing up his Aunt, I think he could go live with the Weasley's forever and the Dursley's would be happy. They wouldn't go running to the police. They'd be glad he was gone. Or he could just live the summer in an Inn in Diagon Alley and pay for it with his gold.
I really hate the Dursleys. ;) I should write an essay arguing that they are worse villians than Voldemort.
Lockhart is a well-written character, and Rowling clearly understood the "show, don't tell" concept. She shows it, and doesn't say it outright because she doesn't need to.
I agree completely. I kept thinking that. And like someone else said, I doubt that younger readers would get the subtle hints at Lochart's arrogance and true nature, until the end of the book.
As for Snape, I agree, he's a great character. Also, he is the only example of where the movies are influencing me as I go through the books. Each character is in my imagination, as described in the book, and pictured by me. Except Snape. I picture him as Alan Rickman's Snape. But that's OK. He's great. :-)
"Yes. I know that's the reason within the book's world. But it's not consistent."
Yes it is, you just don't realize why yet. It's not just some legal technicality.
And I disagree that 2 is the weakest book. Three makes no sense once you do a little thinking, but I'll wait for that thread before I go on.
I was going to talk about this, but I decided I was probably relying on later books too much. I didn't think I was giving any spoilers since I wasn't referring to specific events, but still you may not want to read what I had to say.
Anyway, I liked #2. It's tons of fun and similar to the first one in the classic puzzle solving set up. Crying out for help in the end, the rebirth imagery, and the honorable stand Harry takes gives this story strong appeal.
"I should write an essay arguing that they are worse villians than Voldemort"
Hmmmm ... you might want to wait for a few books before writing it. That's as much as I'll say on that point for the moment.
I'd like to address the formulaic issue. All of her books follow a similar formula purposely. First of all, she is using the classic British mystery pattern. You can find the 10 rules for this genre somewhere on the internet. Basically, the villain shows up near the beginning (unbeknown to the reader), clues are subtle throughout the story, and there's the big reveal at the end. As the series continues, she finds new variations to make this pattern more interesting and satisfying.
Second, as others have said, the Dursley home is always near the beginning for an important reason that shall be revealed later.
Third, get used to the finding stuff underground thing for it will continue. Rowling studied a lot of alchemy before she wrote the books and if you understand that branch of esoteric knowledge, you'll get the idea of looking within the earth.
Fourth and finally, although more could be said, alchemy plays a huge role in the entire series. It influences everything from character's names to plot lines and themes (look up "Golden Snitch" sometime and you'll see what I mean). It's worth taking a look since it's a major part of western literature, from the Aurthurian legend to The Lord of the Rings.

I need to say again that I *love* that you are doing posts on these books. I'll respond to your comments in a post or two below.
First, I agree that book 2 is a little bit too much like book 1 in the series. It's probably my least favorite, or would get my vote for "weakest" of the 7. Although there is one other that is a possible candidate for that award in my opinion. However, given that I still loved and enjoyed the book, those criticisms are minor rather than major. "Weakest" is a relative term as compared to the rest of the series, not an indictment of the book as being unworthy or a poor work.