- C. S. Lewis
Live-blog of tonight's Lost coming your way . . .
******* Spoilers Follow *********
Watching the end of last week's show: "See you guys at dinner." Great line.
This week looks like a Sun episode. Those are always good.
Zooming in on the boat. Frank and Thug #1 meet at night on the deck. "Don't be late, Frank". They have a secret conclave planned for later, evidently.
And here's Regina. Is she standing sitting guard over Desmond and Sayid? They are in a room on the boat. She's outside the door, reading a book, but I didn't catch what it was. And it was upside-down, so maybe she wasn't reading.
Des looks a lot more peaceful than he did last week. Sayid asks why they are being locked up. "We didn't bust out [of sick bay]. The door was left open." - Frank seems surprised at this. hopefully we'll find out who the Michael guy on the boat is. Frank brought them canned goods to eat.
Sayid: "I still want to talk to the Captain"
Frank: "No you don't" . . .
Back to the beach. Sun and Jin. I love it when they talk Korean. Jin is still trusting in rescue.
"Let's talk about baby names". Jin rocks. Although I like him a bit more when he's wailing on bad guys.
She wants a boy, while he wants a girl. Jin is confident. Her name will be "Ji Yeon" (I wonder what that means in Korean?). Sun doesn't want to talk about names. "Let's get off this island first".
Are they not the best-looking couple ever?
Flashback (maybe). Sun is packing an overnight bag. She is having contractions. So it's a flash-forward.
Something's wrong.
Commercial . . .
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Jin in Korea. Again, I'm assuming flash-forward, since Sun is pregnant, but there's only one slot left in the Oceanic six, right?
So, basically, I'm confused. Plus, no one seems to know who Jin is (at least no one's treating him like a celebrity or anything). Jin is frantically buying a panda bear. The bear costs fifty thousand won. I don't know how much that is, but it's a huge bear.
Back to the beach. Sun is waking Jin up. Kate and Jack and the Freighties are back. Kate is still grousing about how C.S. Lewis knocked her out. I find Kate completely irritating, especially since she's now slandering Juliet, who is way cooler than Kate. Kate's just jealous is my guess. She's accusing Juliet of being a compulsive liar. Pot, meet kettle.
She's also (reasonably, I guess) casting doubts on the intentions of Charlotte and Daniel, vis-a-vis a rescue. But . . . ugh, Kate! Thank you, Debbie downer.
Back to the boat. I think Sayid is tired of lima beans. And look, Desmond notices a note that has been pushed under the door.
Sayid mentions that Ben said there was a spy on the boat. The note says "Don't trust the captain" in block letters.
Beach. Sun walks over to Daniel. She's taking the direct route. About time someone did.
"So you're here to rescue us?"
"Um, it's not really my call, Sun" Sun thanks him for his honesty and leaves.
Jin is eating cereal with Jack and trying out his English. Sun and Sawyer have been teaching him. Sun is better. It would be a funny gag to have Jin drop a nickname here, to show the Sawyer influence. But I digress.
Jack continues to seem fairly passive for a guy who promised rescue to his people, what with all the "we're not really here to rescue you" signals that are being brightly flashed by his guests.
Alright. Sun is taking charge! She tells Jin to get food for two days.
"We're going to Locke's camp."
Sounds like a frying-pan/fire thing to me.
Commercial . . .
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Sun's frantically packing, as Juliet walks up and starts asking pesky questions. After making up some story about needing pre-natal vitamins, Sun finally spills the beans - they're heading to Locke's camp.
Sun: "I don't trust these people"
Juliet is emphatic, telling Sun not to go, talking about how pregnant women on the island die. But Sun just isn't buying it.
Sun: "Claire's baby's fine. I feel fine. All I have is your stories about how I'm going to get sick. . . No, I don't trust you"
Ah, to the hospital. And this is a confirmed flash-forward - they just mentioned the Oceanic six. The nurse is trying to take off Sun's wedding ring, and Sun is struggling against her.
The baby is in distress. The doctor is going to figure out what's going on. Sun wants Jin, now.
Jin hails a taxi. But he gets bumped, drops his phone and it gets run over, and someone else grabs his taxi with the panda bear in it! Maybe we'll see Jin beating on someone soon. Jin runs after the taxi, screaming threats.
He's back in the store, and not in the mood to palaver. He buys the last remaining panda, which was on hold for someone else, for a ton of money.
"I want that Panda", Jin says, murder in his eyes. I'd give it to him.
Back to the beach, Kate is giving Sun and Jin a map to Lockeville. Hugs all around.
Here's Juliet: "She's not going anywhere." Juliet looks even more beat up now than she did earlier.
To Jin: "Your wife is very sick. If she doesn't get off this island in three weeks, she will die."
Jin (in English, and because he's awesome): "Wherever Sun go, I go."
Juliet, out of the blue, tells Jin about Sun's affair! Beat her Sun!
Yeah she did! Slap! Another bruise for Juliet's already terribly marred face.
Man! Jin is leaving, going back to the beach.
Commercial . . .
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Back to the beach. Sun and Jin. Sun is trying to explain.
"It was a long time ago. I understand you're angry, let me explain"
Jin walks off with a fishing pole.
Bernard walks up. "Hey, you going fishin'?" Awkward. It doesn't take Bernard long to realize he just stepped in it.
Bernard and Jin in a boat. "You realize we're the only two married guys on the island?" That's actually a pretty good observation. I hadn't noticed that.
Bernard's doing the old married guy "can't live wid 'em, can't live widout 'em" talk for Jin.
He's telling Jin about the healing nature of the island, how Rose is not sick anymore. Bernard is surprised that Rose didn't want to stay on the island.
"Locke is a murderer". True dat.
And Bernard is now touting karma. Dumb.
Jin just caught a fish. "See, now that's karma. We must be the good guys!"
Back to the boat. There's some knocking sound - someone's banging on pipes.
Creepy doctor walks in. "The Captain would like to see you now."
Out on the deck. The helicopter is gone. Frank's running an errand. Where? "I'm a doctor. I don't know where he's going."
Regina walks by on the upper deck. And she's doing a leap off the boat, wrapped up in big rusty chains! Desmond is freaking.
Desmond and Sayid want to save her, they call for help, for a rope, anything. But the Captain (I'm assuming) stops them. That Regina was one short-lived character.
"I'm Captain Goldman" (Gohlen? Gollum? I didn't catch it).
"I suppose you two have a few questions." Yes, along with the rest of us.
Commercial . . .
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On the boat. "So, what can I do for you."
The Captain claims that he didn't let them save Regina because he didn't want to lose any more people. He says some of the crew are experiencing a "heightened form of cabin fever."
He can't move away from the island, because there is a terrorist on board who messed up the engine.
And the boat is owned by Charles Widmore. We knew this, but still, good to get confirmation.
In a cabin. The Captain has a flight data recorder. "This black box comes from Oceanic flight 815". It was found in the wreckage of the plane along with all the passengers, and all of them dead.
The wreckage was obviously staged. The resources involved in that are enormous. "Where does one come across 324 dead bodies?"
"That is one of the many reasons we want Benjamin Linus". I'm not following that logic, frankly. Perhaps someone can explain it to me.
On the beach. Juliet is trying to apologize for ruining Sun's marriage.
"You need to get off this island. We all do"
"You want to leave?"
"More than anything."
Juliet is describing the coming descent of Sun's health, starting in three weeks. And, eventually, sometime in the second trimester, Sun will die, and so will the baby.
"And that, Sun, is why it is my business. Because you are my patient."
I think Sun is starting to believe Juliet.
Flash-forward. Labor. They have to perform a C-section. Sun is saying no, not until Jin shows up.
And there he is! [Update: Jill's watching Lost (and I'm re-watching parts of it) as she wasn't here to watch it live. I just noticed that wasn't really Jin. Just someone who looks like him. I missed it the first time because I was too busy typing this stupid post]. And as soon as he shows up, the baby starts coming out, the normal way.
I love this couple.
Sun's pushing like crazy.
And the baby's born.
The doctor: "You did it!"
It's a daughter. Beautiful. Covered with afterbirth, but still beautiful.
Back to the boat. It is night. Doctor Frankenstein is with Sayid and Desmond.
"So, what'd ya think of the Captain?" Heh. The doctor warns them not to make the Captain mad. I think the doctor's a zombie.
The doctor is putting them in a really gross cell, covered with roaches. And with a huge bloodstain on the wall.
"That's not supposed to be there."
Someone tell me, why are they not beating the snot out of this guy?
Here comes Michael, posing as a janitor or something. No big surprise, but still pretty cool. They call him "Kevin Johnson". Not the one who used to play for the Phoenix Suns, by the way.
"Nice to meet you Kevin." Sayid and Desmond are playing along. Beggars can't be choosers.
Commercial . . .
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Back to the beach. Jin brings Sun dinner. Good man.
Sun: "I thought you had left me"
Jin: "I know why you did it. I know the man I used to be. . . Whatever you did, you did to that man. His actions caused this."
"So I forgive you." God bless Jin!
Jin offers to go to Locke's camp, but Sun has been swayed by Juliet.
Jin: "I'll do all I can to protect you and the baby."
"There's just one thing. And please, the truth . . ." Now, in English: "Is the baby mine?"
Sun, crying: "Yes, Jin. I swear the baby is yours. It's yours. I love you so much. I thought I had lost you."
Jin: "I love you too. And you will never lose me."
Beautiful.
Jin, running into the hospital with the panda bear.
Wait. He's not at Sun's room. The newborn baby is a boy. And it's some ambassador's baby (or maybe the ambassador's daughter's baby). The ambassador is the ambassador to China. Jin's bringing the panda bear to the ambassador on behalf of Mr. Paik, to try to strike up a business relationship. Is this a flash-back? I'm totally confused.
He walks out. The nurse questions him: "Leaving so soon?". Jin says it's not his baby.
Nurse: "Well maybe someday"
Jin, smiling: "I've only been married two months."
Yeah, a flashback.
Now, back to flash-forward land (I think). Sun looks good, putting on her wedding ring and makeup. The wedding ring was in a ziplock hospital bag, so this must be right after she's gotten home from the hospital.
And here's Hurley, looking awesome in a suit and tie.
"So, where is she?"
Looking at little Ji Yeon. Hurley: "She's awesome." He holds her, somewhat clumsily.
"She looks just like Jin." How come Sun always looks sad whenever Jin's paternity is mentioned?
Hurley suggests they "go see him".
Oh no. No. Wait.
Oh man. Dang it.
They are in a cemetery. Jin's dead. Did she just imagine she was seeing him in the delivery room? Was he a ghost? [Update: or maybe I'm just dumb. See my note above]
I can't take this. But it explains my confusion over seven members of the Oceanic six. There are only six. Sun's the last one.
Standing before Jin's grave, Sun talks to him.
"The doctor said I was calling out for you."
"I named her just like you wanted."
Dear God. No.
"I miss you so much."
Goodbye Jin.
Crud . . .
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Next week's show:
Sayid racking on Michael. Good.
Automatic weapons. A red button. And Someone. Will. Die.
I have mixed feelings about this episode. Overall it was somewhat uninteresting. For the first 55 minutes of it.
The last 5 minutes ripped my guts out. . .
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the death date was the plane crash date. jin's still alive, i say!
Now I'm all sad. I can't even think about the rest of the show.
So who do you think is going to die next? I think Juliet because Claire seems too obvious.
OK - firstly: My crap DVR inexplicably cut off the first 17 minutes of the show. How did I fill in the gaps?
Bill's live blog. Seriously - you saved the night, dude.
So, if you believe that Jin is still alive, then you believe that Sun is crying and sad because he's still on the island? Because those were pretty convincing tears at the end of that show.
And . . . Michael.
Stroke. You give me hope.
Of course! Jin is still alive. He "died" in the wreck of Oceanic flight 815. Sun misses him. she's sad. But he's not dead.
He's still on the island.
Or at least I totally hope so!
And Bethany, of course, totally called it in Comment 1. I was too obtuse to catch that.
Good call, Beth.
Other clues: Jin said "I'll do all I can to protect you and the baby." and "you will never lose me." He's going to make a great sacrifice for Sun and the baby - probably staying on the island.
I love this show.
I liked the episode, but even Jin's 'death' (which I agree is probably not definitive) didn't affect me like the Desmond and Penny episode.
I didn't catch the captain's name either, but from another forum, people claim that it was Gault, as in this guy:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Captain_Gault
Also, the upside down book that Regina was reading was "The Survivors of the Chancellor", a Jules Verne novel about the final voyage of a doomed ship.
But I still want to know why Charlotte is CS Lewis. What characteristic relating to him are they going to put onto her, since pistol whipping doesn't seem be it.
I am SO hacked off. Our ABC channel lost signal last night at about 6:30. It was the only channel that went out. Just that one. The only one we cared about.
I called the cable company and they said there were outages in our area and they were working to correct the issue.
We had every other freaking channel just fine. Just not ABC.
And it didn't come back on until 8:54, 6 minutes from the end of "Lost."
So we didn't see it.
Will have to download or wait till next week.
What are the odds that that one channel during that short "Lost" timeslot would go blank? Is the island messing with me?
you know, guys, what you're doing here? This is why the Thinklings blog sucks. :)
just trying to be a blessing
Hey Jared,
Go to abc.com. Download the player. (It doesn't take long.)
And watch the episode for free with minimal commercials. IT'S AWESOME!!!!!!!! In fact, you can watch any episode you want from the entire series on there...for free!
(They put them up the day after. You may want to wait til tomorrow since traffic will probably be heavy this morning.)
Melissa and I did that with an episode we missed a few weeks ago and it was a total lifesaver.
I was so confused about the Jin flashback thing. But I loved the episode solely because of Jin's loving forgiveness of Sun. Awesome.
And that is one seriously cute baby.
Yes, Jin and Sun made this episode work. I thought some other things - all the dire warnings about the captain, the random suicide on the boat of Regina, the random movement of Sayid and Des around to different "cells", the bloodstain on the wall, the thing Thug #1 said to Frank about "don't be late", the weird explanation of the reason they are looking for Ben, etc., well, most of it was either ineffectual or made no sense, in my opinion. I'm getting bored with that boat.
The Jin flashback thing is obvious in hindsight. As I read through my post it's funny how obtuse I must have sounded as I was live-blogging. The clues were all right there in front of me. So they did a good job layering flash-forward/back.
i can't prove it here unless someone i watched with comments, but i totally called the jin going to someone else's labor thing... um, and that's why the thinklings weblog sucks?
Anyone else find the Michael/Kevin Johnson reveal kind of underwhelming?
As much as I want to deny it, I think Jin is really dead. Hurley said , "Let's go see him..." Meaning it's his body in the grave, right?
I think the lesson here is, don't get a DUI if you want to stay alive.
This was a great episode. I'm so glad they brought Bernard back in. He's not a favorite for me, but I was wondering what happened to him. I also was wondering if it had occured to Rose that she'll probably die of cancer if she leaves the island.
I'm watching old episodes. Does anyone else wonder why they don't have consistant periphial, background characters? They're glaringly different from first season. The ones this year look like a combination of boat people or peasants from Return of the King that are hiding in the castle during the big war.
I think the lesson here is, don't get a DUI if you want to stay alive.
Meh. I believe Lindelof, Cuse, and Rodriguez herself when they claim Ana-Lucia's death was not related to the DUI.
Incidentally, (*****SPOILER ALERT*****)
Cynthia Watros is listed in the credits for next week's episode, Meet Kevin Johnson.
Next week's ep is about Michael. Aw meh.
My guess is he's gonna die. Which would blow my "Michael's in the casket" theory.
Someone said somewhere that this season will only have thirteen episodes. Can anyone confirm or (hopefully) refute that?
Thanks Dad.
Very good comments from people.
I don't know... it was a weird episode.
And I agree, the whole introducing of Michael could've been so cooler... I guess they knew we already knew. But whatever.
Okay, just watched it.
Jin is the man.
I think he's probably dead. Or, at least, Sun thinks he is. Why would she go all the way to a gravestone and talk to him like he's dead if she knew he wasn't. I mean, she'd be sad and miss him, and maybe they have to pretend he's dead for the public for some reason, but she and Hurley wouldn't go alone to a cemetery and act like he's dead unless they really thought he was.
I hope Michael (or Kate) dies next week.
I'm torn. Right after watching the show, because I am simply not one of those who can "see through" what the writers are doing (you know - the guy who always says "15 minutes in I knew Jin was in flashback - I'm not that guy) I was convinced Jin had died. It took a couple people commenting here, mentioning that the date on the tombstone was the date of the crash, for me to realize Jin might not be dead.
I took Sun's trip to his gravestone to be a way she could be close to him. I don't think he's dead, but I believe Sun either thinks he is or knows she will never, ever see him again (so he's dead in that way). And as part of that grief, she holds his gravestone to be where she can be near to Jin.
I dunno.
I'm with you on Michael or Kate. Kate's character simply hasn't grown, any. If I were E. Lily, I'd be pretty frustrated with how the writers have written her. She is just unlikable.
I think Michael might be the one, though. I don't know if the writers are ready to bring back a character who was gone for an entire season. But I don't know.
And, yeah, Jin is the man.
My comment on this ep - Hurley rocks. I mean, 6 return, one's prego and she's lost her hubby (presumably) and they all have unlimited free flights. But only Hurley comes to see Sun and the baby.
Good for Hurley.
Only thirteen episodes:
Ep 8 is Thursday.
5-week hiatus. (I think this is right)
Five new episodes.
8-month hiatus.
They also said that they'd maintain the 48-episode commitment meaning that they will add three more episodes into the next two seasons. They haven't said how they would divide them up, yet.
Here's the link:
http://blog.lostpedia.com/2008/02/carlton-five-more-episodes-of-season-4.html
And he was a complete gentleman as well.
Yep. Hurley may seem like a doofus at times, but he's a loyal, class-act doofus. Of all the losties that I might have as a friend, I'll take Hurley hands down.
I was out of town and just watched the new ep. Question: Does anyone think it's possible that Jin somehow is in a weird time warp like Desmod was) and has no idea and Sun has no idea and thinks he's dead?
I don't know why they would do flashback/flashforward in the same episode. Seems like there might be more.
"That is one of the many reasons we want Benjamin Linus". I'm not following that logic, frankly. Perhaps someone can explain it to me.
I took it to mean that they think that Ben has the resources to stage a plane crash and come up with 324 dead bodies. They want him because he would do something like that, or because he has the money to do something like that, or something along those lines. This whole thing is lining up to be a war between Ben and Charles Widmore. They both seem to be rich powerful people. Maybe they are brothers or former business partners or something.
I don't think the boat is supposed to be this big key element like the hatch. I think it is just a stage for the events that are unfolding. Everything that happens in the flash-forwards can't happen without some kind of boat. It's kind of like last season when everyone was so focused on the bear cages that they missed the character development that was happening. The cages weren't meant to be the new hatch - they were just meant as a setting.
Anyone seen the new Lost opening credits? They are going in a different direction in the future:
Lost! On an Island!
So awesome it hurts....
Okay - found this to be weird. The Wikipedia article only has five people listed as the "Oceanic Six" and then says this:
The producers of the show have stated, with the revelation of Sun as one of the Oceanic Six in "Ji Yeon", all six members have been revealed. Executive producers and writers Carlton Cuse and Damon Lindelof left the identity of the sixth deliberately ambiguous to provoke debate after the episode, and promised to answer the question in the episode's respective podcast.
"Executive producers and writers Carlton Cuse and Damon Lindelof left the identity of the sixth deliberately ambiguous to provoke debate after the episode, and promised to answer the question in the episode's respective podcast."
Grrrr . . .
I personally grow tired of all the podcasts, clues, websites, etc. - in short, all the "meta" surrounding this show.
I wish they'd just answer the questions in the flow of the show.
I think they will answer the questions in the show, but they may dangle hints/answers out there for those who want them in the meta.
While they've provided a lot of background in the meta thus far, they've kept the show as the primary source of LOST revelation.
For example, a short video was released last summer/fall of a new station on the island, The Orchid. The video introduced the concept of time travel/manipulation. Since then, the show has far superceded the released video in terms of revelation, but that certainly was a nice-sized carrot dangling out there for those who wanted to chase after it.
Think of the meta like the Simarillion. The difference is that the main story is being told over time, so the Sim can be released concurrently. The Sim isn't the story - it's the background/leadup/surrounding environment to the story.
I think that one of the Oceanic 6 killed Jin before they left the island and that is why they are saying he died in the plane crash . I am telling all you people he really is dead and one of the Oceanic 6 killed him (Most likely Jack , I hate Jack ) .
Most likely Jack , I hate Jack
Well, now, that's just crazy talk.
But! If Jack kills Michael, that'll be okay. Heck, I thought it was pretty cool when he pulled the trigger on Locke.
I imagine that sometime soon Jack will go unhinged and either kill someone or go back to his old ways of manhandling and/or (usually "and") yelling at women.
Fun!
Really good episode.
I think Jin will still be on the island- or wherever the other non sixies go.
Ugh. I do not like Michael.
And the doctor creeps me out!