Also, I'm pretty sure the deal they made with whatever devil sent them home is that they would pretend that only the Oceanic Six survived.

Who are the six? I wonder (I mean, we know three of them . . . but who else?)

I've got my guess as to the identities of the Oceanic SIx at my blog. And I agree: the secret is that there were more people still living on the island. The question: who is it who's still interested enough to want to find out who's left on the island?

I think that two of the six are Sun & Jin, given the fact that they would want to have their baby alive. Juliet might also be in the six.

If Sun & Jin are in the six, then that pretty much rules out any other parntership such as Bernard & Rose or Claire & Aaron.

But who's in the coffin? I thought it was Ben, but now I'm not sure since he wasn't on the plane and would be quickly proved not to be one of the Six.

This show is so frustrating.

"This show is so frustrating."

Well, that's the Lost way. I've long since quit expecting much of the "puzzle" to be solved each week, and enjoy it more now. The answers come when they come, as the show develops. I'll be pretty surprised if we find out who's in the coffin until the end of the season (or later).

I think it's Michael. No one came (because he betrayed them all). The funeral home seems to be in an African-American neighborhood. The cop on the show last night brought up Anna-Lucia (who Michael killed), etc.

My second choice is Juliet in the coffin. Given my past performance at prediction, I'm probably wrong on both counts.

My choice for the six: Sun, Jin, Juliet, Jack, Hurley, Kate.

Whoever is in the coffin must have done something horrible.

Good guess on Michael being in the coffin. I hadn't considered him.

Yeah, Michael makes sense.

Hurley and Jack seem awfully torn up about whatever went down to allow their escape. I wonder if it can be as simple as they just agreed not to tell anyone else about people left on the island. And I don't really see Jack (or Hurley, or Sun, or Kate) as types who would "betray" their friends to secure their own escape. Something pretty terrible had to have gone down.

The big twist that got me was Hurley saying to Jack, "I should have gone with you." Implying he shouldn't have gone with Locke b/c of Charlie's message or whatever.
That puts a spin on the assumption that the boat people are bad, or at least that them being bad will affect the wisdom of following either Jack or Locke.

I figured Sawyer got off the island, but that's only b/c when Kate said in the season finale to Jack "He's going to wonder where I am" I just assumed she was with Sawyer at that time. But maybe she's already in another relationship.

And I don't really see Jack (or Hurley, or Sun, or Kate) as types who would "betray" their friends to secure their own escape.

Well, I can see Kate doing something like that, since she's proven to us again and again her selfish nature. That chick has got to go. But I agree with you that it likely isn't as simple as some leaving and some staying. Good point.

I second-guess my earlier prediction of Juliet being one of the six.

She wasn't on Oceanic. This leads me to believe that the only people who got off the island were from the aircraft. Whoever the boat people are probably don't care for the others or people who had been living on the island. They maybe even were part of the original Dharma initiative.

I wonder if they'll ever explain how Dharma supply drops continue to happen on the island.

"The big twist that got me was Hurley saying to Jack, "I should have gone with you." Implying he shouldn't have gone with Locke b/c of Charlie's message or whatever."

Yeah, I was wondering about that. I also thought it might just be Hurley saying "sorry I doubted you and left you" - not that it was wrong to go with Locke, just that he felt bad for challenging Jack's authority. It may be that both ways (following Jack, following Locke) ended up bad.

I am wondering why we think the boat people are evil. I mean, it's been my assumption, but all we really know is that they aren't who they say they are. Doesn't mean they are necessarily bad (although probably they are).

Also, who was in the rocking chair?

Rocking chair was Jacob, wasn't it? Locke is like his crazy roommate now or something. :-)

I was assuming the boat people are evil not just because they aren't who they said they were (why lie?), but also because I saw a preview with one of them (played by actor Ken Leung) basically threatening Jack.

I have to say, that was one intense episode.

- Jack pulls the trigger on Locke.
- Hurley "sees" Jacob.
- Charlie's back - as in "I'm dead but I'm here"
- Naomi's dead, then not, then dead again.

I really wonder if Naomi thought she was on a rescue mission. She could have been played by Minkowski.

And like Jared, I wondered about Hurley's apology to Jack for not going with him. Is it possible he's talking about some other occurrence which we'll see later on?

I thought this was a great season opener. I hope they can just keep it up.

Well, I wonder if the deal involved Sun and her pregnancy somehow...for it to be so horrible to remember and a seeming betrayal. I think they must have made it possible for the research to continue on the island....and is Oceanic part of the conspiracy? Seems like they are becoming much more involved, and I don't think it has anything to do with a lawsuit.

Michael makes sense in the coffin. I hadn't placed him there before....figured it was Ben somehow. The coffin does seem kind of small...

"Michael makes sense in the coffin."

Or maybe it's WAAAAAAAALT!

I just had a thought. In the flash forward from last season, Jack mentioned his Dad as if he were alive because Christian came and visited him just like Charlie visited Hurley. He snaps and starts drinking heavily again because he keeps seeing his Dad, who convinces him he needs to go back to the island.

I am wondering why we think the boat people are evil. I mean, it's been my assumption, but all we really know is that they aren't who they say they are. Doesn't mean they are necessarily bad (although probably they are).

It depends on whether we trust Ben to tell the truth about this situation.

Chanda: Was that guy really an Oceanic rep? He said he was, but remember that Hurley asked him for a card and he didn't have one. Then of course he got all ominous and such.

I thought he was a rep of whatever Other/Dharma-related evilness went down.

You really know they are not who they say they are and are really Dharma/Other when they get all ominous.

Was anyone else besides me kind of taken aback when Jack PULLED THE TRIGGER?

I know Locke probably deserves it (well, time will tell, I suppose).

But still . . . That was cold. He didn't even kill Ben, for goodness sake.

"It depends on whether we trust Ben to tell the truth about this situation."

Yes, good point. Of course, the truth on this show is often not a simple choice between A and B. It's often C (or D, or E, or F . . . )

"Also, who was in the rocking chair?"

JACK'S DAD was in the rocking chair, and that eye wasn't Locke's. Locke has blue eyes (right?) and that eye was definitely not blue.

I just read in another forum where someone had the thought that the Oceanic 6 may only be the Americans who came back - that the American media named the American survivors the Oceanic 6. That maybe the non-Americans from the flight may have also gone home but to their countries of origin - Sun, Jin, Claire, etc. and we just haven't see that yet.

I'm not convinced the boat people are bad for Jack and crew, but may be bad for Ben and crew.

Also, I'm still curious about the dude (I think his name is Richard) with Ben who doesn't age - you know who I'm talking about? That gorgeous guy who is the same age now as he was when Ben was a kid?

"Was that guy really an Oceanic rep?"

That guy's name is Matthew Abbadon. For more information, see Revelation 9:11

yikes.


Was anyone else besides me kind of taken aback when Jack PULLED THE TRIGGER?"

Am I reading too much into this to think that maybe this was a representation of an overall theme of science trying to kill faith and always failing?

If Lock represents faith, it seems that faith won't (can't?) die.

"That gorgeous guy who is the same age now as he was when Ben was a kid?

I'll be interested to know why he doesn't age, yet his hair still can grow long.

I actually liked that Jack pulled the trigger. :-)

If they can't respect him, maybe they'll fear him.

Locke's a little bit country
Jack's a freakin' barrel full of rock and roll.

hilarious

Along with Richard, I think that Mikhail is one who never dies. Although evidently these "original others" can scar, because he's covered with them.

Mrs. Klugh also seems to be one of the immortals.

Not sure about Tom. He probably bought the farm when Sawyer plugged him.

And, yeah, Jared, I have to admit that is pretty hilarious!

I'm pretty anti-Locke at this point anyway. He just seems to have gone off his rocker.

"Mrs. Klugh also seems to be one of the immortals.

I thought she died already.

"I thought she died already."

That's my point. We thought Mikhail had died too, and he showed up again. Then we thought he died again (harpooned in the heart) and he showed up again.

Remember Mrs Klugh told Patch to shoot her. Which seemed pretty strange at the time.

Yeah - but before he shot her, he said he was sorry. Wouldn't they know that they were immortal?

Well, I'm assuming it probably hurts to get shot, even with amazing healing powers.

Both the sonic wave and the harpoon took out Patch for at least a few minutes.

So, had Hurley seen Jack's dad before this episode? That was more for us than it was for him, right?

How do you know it was Jack's dad? It just looked like a silhouetted man to me.

Go to the following link and you can see the screenshot. It's definitely Christian (the actor's name was also in the opening credits).

http://losteastereggs.blogspot.com/2008/02/jacob-and-eye.html

The more I ponder who's in the coffin, the more I think it's someone we haven't been introduced to yet. There are supposed to be several new regulars introduced this season.

Whoa - that screencap of the dude in the rocker is freaky. So Jack's dad lives? Or is that like Charlie to Hurley - dead but you can see him.

So does Hurley have the 6th sense and sees dead people maybe? I mean he saw his dead buddy from the pre-island mental hospital, then Charlie, and now Christian Shepherd?

Interesting.

re: Hurley's cannonball, that was an awfully steep dropoff for a sandy beach

"Or is that like Charlie to Hurley - dead but you can see him."

That's why I asked if Hurley had ever seen Jack's dad before. His friend (Dave?) in the hospital was a figment of his imagination. Charlie he knows, but I don't think he ever actually met Jack's dad.

Jack's (dead?) dad has made a couple of appearances:
1. To Jack (similar to Kate's horse or Locke's Walt)
2. In the final Mobisode that will be released on ABC.Com this Monday (but is available for download, if you have a Flash player)

The mobisode is truly creepy and might hint at how Jacob chooses to present himself to people. If Jacob can present himself to people whom he chooses, I think Charlie's appearance causes us to ask if Jacob has influence outside of the island. (Might that be who Hurley is talking about when he says at the end of the ep that "It wants us to come back . . ?")

Is it possible that Jacob isn't really a creepy old guy? Maybe the old guy is Magnus Hanso, captain of the Black Rock . . . Another dead dude. (find815.com)

I've read that the eye actually belongs to Jacob. The site said that the eye made another appearance in Season 3, ep 20. According to Lostpedia.com (quickly becoming must-read material for me), that's the ep where Ben takes Locke to visit Jacob. yowza.

We were led to believe that Dave's appearances to Hurley were figments of his imagination. But what if they weren't. What if he can see dead people - that's his "gift" from the island (like Locke's functioning legs and Desmond's visions).

Quaid, you look at too much off-TV LOST stuff. Most of us aren't seeing that. =)

I thought the coffin looked a bit short. Unless I was seeing things. If it was short, then that eliminates some of the people, unless whoever passed isn't being buried whole. Just a thought...

"Quaid, you look at too much off-TV LOST stuff. Most of us aren't seeing that. =)"

Maybe. But I suppose that would include this thread . . .

Seriously, though. Lostpedia is a great web site that lets you get as serious about LOST as you want to.

Oh...

For anyone else whose "Hey, it's that guy!" moment didn't quite make it to completion last night, I've just this second realized that the guy who appeared in the final scene is Jeremy Davies, who was in Saving Private Ryan.

Is it?!
I just commented to a friend that I thought that dude looked like Jeremy Davies, but I didn't think it was really him.

I just realized something this morning as I was reading someone's blog post about the show that probably everyone else got right away. But since it hasn't been mentioned here, I thought I'd mention it . . .

Did anyone else make the connection with Hurley's denial of knowledge concerning Ana Lucia and his conversation with Jack at the end of the ep when Jack asked him if he was going to tell anything?

Something that adds to it (I finished watching the final ep of Season 3 last night) is Jack's comment to Kate at the end of last season when he says, "I'm tired of lying"


What would compel them to lie about other people remaining on the island?