"Membership in the family of God is neither inconsequential or something to be casually ignored. The church is God's agenda for the world. Jesus said, "I will build my church, and all the powers of hell will not conquer it." The church is indestructable and will exist for eternity. It will outlive this universe, and so will your role in it."

- Rick Warren
"She's Like a Candle / Burning in My Room"

Desire, that is.

Hoo boy.

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1. David Marcoe - 10/27/2008 2:34 pm CDT

Temptation is hard to resist. Clearly, he was playing with fire, but it remains it remains to whether he was actually unfaithful.

Setting aside the laudable things he's done, accusing a person of something like that is a hefty charge. And since there are only a collection of a few photos on Facebook to tell the story, we shouldn't be jumping to conclusions. In may be that he was simply indulging in his star power and had a couple of girls on his arms, but otherwise, he did nothing wrong. Or maybe they were just having a good time and he didn't get it through his thick head as to how it would look. So, let's not throw him under the bus yet.

2. Jared - 10/27/2008 2:40 pm CDT

David, what are you reading?

I didn't accuse him of anything. I didn't mention adultery, infidelity, condeming the man, nothing of the sort. There are 5 words in my post, a few more if you include the title.

Are you saying the story reported in the article is wrong?

I am going based on that. He didn't commit adultery. He just "partied" with two young bikini-clad girls while on vacation.

In my world, that's pretty dang wrong, even if it's not adultery.

But I didn't accuse him of adultery, nor am I advocating any kind of response.

I love Bono's artistry and humanitarian causes, fwiw.

3. nhe - 10/27/2008 3:13 pm CDT

Jared, I don't know, I kind of see where David is coming from. We (you, me, David, many who post here) know Bono.

This is who he is. He's the same guy who uses the "f" word frequently at his concerts, and almost always pulls a buxom girl up on stage to dance suggestively with.

I still love the guy......I would guess that U2 has more impact for the cause of Christ than MANY Christian bands.....but such things aren't measurable.

I still believe Bono to be a Christian used by God.

I don't agree with him smoking in the "One" video, or dancing around in a devil's outfit on the Zooropa tour, or going on vacation without his wife (who he is away from a lot to begin with) let alone partying on a yacht with teenage girls.

I believe these things hurt his witness and keep him from having more of an impact for Christ.

I guess I'd like to ask - what is the purpose of the post? To make us think twice about the saintliness of Bono? I think we all have.


4. Bill - 10/27/2008 3:17 pm CDT

I knew Jared would take a lot of flack for posting this . . .

5. Jared - 10/27/2008 3:19 pm CDT

Man.

I think if this weren't Bono, you guys wouldn't be responding this way.

The point of this post is to report this story, about a guy most of us admire and respect.

What do you think about it?

It's okay, because he's "simply indulging in his star power," but otherwise nothing wrong with it.

If a picture showed up on Facebook of me with my arms around two nearly naked girls, along with a story about me and a buddy partying with them on a private yacht, I don't think "Hey, I'm just indulging in my ________ power" would fly with the missus.
:-)

Here's another point of posting it: I knew if I did, without much commentary other than to indicate he is flirting with the devil here, I would get comments indicating it's no big deal, it 's okay, it's part of his culture, it's Bono so you know everything is cool, judge not lest ye be judged, etc.

If it was, say, I don't know, Joe Biden, I bet the responses would be different.

The man has a wife, and neither of those bikini girls are her.

6. nhe - 10/27/2008 3:37 pm CDT

I completely agree with you Jared.......but it is stuff I (and I think most of us) already knew about Bono.

You asked "what do you think about it?"

It ticks me off. It makes me think, "come on Bono, grow up." It is a "reminder" that this is who he is.

I don't think he's "indulging his star power".....I just think he truly believes it to be ok.....AND, he has a bit of messianic complex - believing himself to be able to rise above the temptations that befall others, even if he dances with those temptations. That's Bono.

....and no, its not ok......but dang, their music is good.

Jared - does this cause you to consider pulling "Where the Streets Have No Name" off your ipod?.....

7. Jared - 10/27/2008 3:48 pm CDT

Nope. And I'm really looking forward to their upcoming album. :-)

8. Karl - 10/27/2008 3:53 pm CDT

Yeah, it's a good thing for David, Noah, Solomon et al. that there was no internet in their day. Their moral failures "only" got recorded for all posterity in scripture.

Bummer about Bono but as nhe points out, not really a surprise or "new news" that he likes to party and is known to throw his arm around a hottie while out on the town. Wish he didn't.

9. nhe - 10/27/2008 3:54 pm CDT

whew!.......ok, good......didn't want to lose you from the fan club......I'm hearing good things about the new album.

One more thought......Bono has a European bent to his perspective on Christian Morality - that doesn't make it ok - but it is a moral perspective consistent (I think) with a lot of European Christians.

10. Jared - 10/27/2008 4:04 pm CDT

Him having pics taken with hot chicks is not news to me.

Him "partying" privately with a dude and two chicks well into the night is news to me. Didn't know he did that.
And "he's European" just doesn't seem to make it less of a disappointment, I guess.

Can we agree that what he did (does?) is disrespectful and dishonoring to his wife?

Even if he didn't commit physical adultery, I think the double date described in this story is cheating.

I wouldn't even go to a tropical paradise on vacation without my wife. Kind of a jackass move, if you ask me.

11. David Marcoe - 10/27/2008 4:16 pm CDT

David, what are you reading?

Jared, I could ask you the same thing. I didn't say that you accused him of anything, but you can't tell me that everyone wasn't thinking that he cheated on his wife. And let me admit my error and rephrase; by "nothing wrong," I meant that there wasn't evidence of him committing adultery. I didn't mean there was "nothing wrong" with him hanging with those girls, as it was clearly inappropriate and again, playing with fire. My apologies for not being clearer.

As to Bono's behavior, he lives the world of celebrities and it is hard to not be influenced by those standards. He may not have given a second thought to being with those girls and may have had no intention of doing anything more than that. That doesn't make it right, particularly when it puts that temptation so close, but I was pointing out that that is a plausible explanation.

I also find it telling that other posters on this thread interpreted volumes out of my choice a of a few words and divined my whole opinion on the situation. That's exact reason I called for moderation, as people are very apt to jump to conclusions.

12. nhe - 10/27/2008 4:17 pm CDT

Absolutely right Jared - a very lame move.

If I go to Florida on business, I feel guilty if my wife can't come, let alone a tropical island for vacation.

He has a Christian World View, but he doesn't have our Christian World View. Should we expect him to? I don't know. I suppose that we should, because honoring one's wife seems like pretty basic stuff.

I have never been able to understand why any man who is a father would go to a strip club, whether he is a Christian or not. Isn't it obvious that ogling someone's daughter in that way is hypocritical?.....unless it were actually cool with them if their daughter did it? I know it's a bit off the subject, but this is the kind of stuff that Bono should "get"......but I don't think he does.

13. Sha - 10/27/2008 4:18 pm CDT

Jared - leave it up to a Bono post to bring me out of mere lurker status! Ha!

Let me start by saying I am not a Bono apologist. I gave up a long time ago trying to make sense of some of the stunts he has pulled in the past. Although I do happen to disagree with a previous poster in regards to his Macphisto persona! I tend to think him dressing up as the devil was a stroke of artistic and satirical genius on his part! It was just unfortunate that most people didn't get the point of it. That being said, I definitely don't have him on some kind of moral pedestal or think that he is a perfect example of what a believer should look like. However, I do think he is worthy to be emulated when it comes to his actions and influence on behalf of the poor, as well some of his lyrical ideas and thoughts on God's justice and love versus our own hypocrisy and pride.

In regards to this picture, I feel that it is shady and unfortunate. But I also think that there are probably hundreds of pictures like these taken with him and other women over the years. I've read lots of books and magazine articles about U2 and some recount past "parties" with models and other types. It seemed that they kind of toned all that down a bit after the 90s period, but ... maybe that was just wishful thinking on my part. Despite all this stuff, I surprisingly (and thankfully to this point) have not read any account where he has actually cheated on his wife and committed adultery. That's not to say he never has or won't in the future (although I sure pray and hope not), but it's just an amazing observation for someone in that "rock and roll lifestyle."

Sadly, what this picture shows me is that Bono lacks judgement in the area of trying to appear above reproach. Then again, most of us knew that already! From an objective standpoint, most of the news story is pure innuendo. All we know for sure is that Bono was hanging out on a beach and a couple of girls with bikinis had their picture taken with him. He stupidly let one of them do this while sitting on his lap. As for the rest of the story, it's all based on an uncorroborated account from some girl's facebook page! It's interesting that the news story site doesn't back their facts up (much less put their name to the article). However, I do acknowledge that sometimes tabloid stories get it right (e.g. John Edwards) and I'm really hoping that this one got it wrong.

Just to clarify ... Jared, I don't think you were accusing him of anything either. You were just letting the picture and story speak for themselves while displaying disappointment (as we all rightly should).

Either way ... for now, my "hetero-man-crush" on Bono is still intact ... U2 is still my favorite band ... and I'll still probably overpay to see them live again once they come back to Texas (hopefully 2009)!

Ok ... back to lurking ...

14. nhe - 10/27/2008 4:21 pm CDT

I was speaking for myself David.......I don't venture to guess what you thought, I just agreed with your sentiment.

and David - I agree with Jared - the way that article reads, Bono cheated on his wife as we define it.....even if nothing progressed passed them sitting on his lap.

15. David Marcoe - 10/27/2008 4:25 pm CDT

and David - I agree with Jared - the way that article reads, Bono cheated on his wife as we define it.....even if nothing progressed passed them sitting on his lap.

The news services are in the business of selling a story, not presenting the facts. And the way the article reads, they are long on narrative and short on facts. By their own admission, their source is a collection photos posted to a Facebook account. They can convey some information, but how many gaps did they fill in with their own interpretation?

Again, look at my poor choice of words in my first post and see how far people took their interpretations of what I meant.

16. Jared - 10/27/2008 4:27 pm CDT

David:

You wrote, you can't tell me that everyone wasn't thinking that he cheated on his wife

This is what sort of what I was responding to in your previous comment. Who's "everyone"?

I also find it telling that other posters on this thread interpreted volumes out of my choice a of a few words and divined my whole opinion on the situation

David you said "Charging someone of somethign like that . . ."
What were we to divine from that statement? Nobody here charged anyone with anything. How was I not to read your comment as believing I was accusing him of adultery (and wanting to throw him under the bus).
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nhe:

I want to agree with you. I really do.

But I find it hard to categorize Bono as some naive, ignorant, "simplistic in his faith," European bloke.

He is very sophisticated, both culturally and theologically.
And that's probably his problem. :-)
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Sha:

You wrote, leave it up to a Bono post to bring me out of mere lurker status!

Exactly!
If this were someone else, I doubt the comments would already be at 15. :-)

I agree pretty much with everything you said, including having some healthy skepticism about the details of the story.
But the details are so, um, detailed that it seems dubious to think it was made up out of whole cloth based on having a pic taken with the guy.

17. nhe - 10/27/2008 4:29 pm CDT

allowing 2 teenage girl in bikinis to sit on my lap + inviting them to have drinks with me on a boat + my wife being noticeably absent = adultery

.......unless I'm reading the story wrong - if so, help me.

18. David Marcoe - 10/27/2008 4:35 pm CDT

This is what sort of what I was responding to in your previous comment. Who's "everyone"?

Everyone who reads the post, or is this not a given? Or, if they weren't thinking it happened on this particular occasion, what else might have happened besides this incident?

What were we to divine from that statement? Nobody here charged anyone with anything. How was I not to read your comment as believing I was accusing him of adultery (and wanting to throw him under the bus).

I was stating more as a hypothetical or extrapolation of what people might be thinking in response to the article. If I had framed those statements better, perhaps they wouldn't have come off as accusatory.

19. Sha - 10/27/2008 4:37 pm CDT

I'm on to you now, Jared! This is all just a big ploy to try to get the post with the most comments on it! ;)

If I came out of lurker status ... who knows who else will do so?

"There are dozens of us! Dozens!!" - Tobias


20. Bird - 10/27/2008 4:37 pm CDT

Can we agree that what he did (does?) is disrespectful and dishonoring to his wife?

Abso-freaking-lutely.

We all know Bono's not a saint. I'm just disappointed that he'd do something so stupid. Oh well. I've done plenty stupid in my life.

21. David Marcoe - 10/27/2008 4:38 pm CDT

allowing 2 teenage girl in bikinis to sit on my lap + inviting them to have drinks with me on a boat + my wife being noticeably absent = adultery

If there weren't any carnal thoughts involved, then no. But there are very among the male sex of the human race who may be capable of such a feat, so that possibility in distinctly unlikely. So, yes, in the sense that it is committing adultery in one's heart, but no, in committing the physical act of adultery.

22. David Marcoe - 10/27/2008 4:39 pm CDT

Can we agree that what he did (does?) is disrespectful and dishonoring to his wife?

Abso-freaking-lutely.


Seconded.

23. nhe - 10/27/2008 4:46 pm CDT

I disagree David - is it sex? no...but it also goes far beyond committing adultery in one's heart.

If I confess to my wife that I committed adultery in my heart by lusting after a picture I saw on the newsstand in the grocery store line, she'll be disappointed, but she'll thank me for my honesty.

If I let two 19 year old girls sit on my lap and invite them to have drinks on my boat and tell my wife THAT, she'll have (I believe) biblical grounds for leaving me.......in other words......adultery.

24. Bill - 10/27/2008 5:04 pm CDT

Not being a huge U2 fan, I admit I don't get the big hoo-hah about Bono. I respect the work he does, but Bob Geldorf has done a lot too, as have Brangelina, a number of other celebrities, private citizens, Christian aid agencies, and even evil George W. Bush.

I do second what Jared said earlier - if this was anyone else, we wouldn't have this many comments.

My point of view: short of a lot more evidence (and my interest in reading it) it's hard to say what happened. All I've seen is one picture. In one of the few times I've watched a U2 concert video (at Bird's house at a moot many moons ago) he was laying around on stage with some random chick he pulled from the audience. They passed out Actung Baby condoms on the AB tour. Etc. etc. etc.

I hope (and believe, short of any other evidence) that he didn't commit physical adultery (or even got to first base) and that he just made a bad move here. He and his wife and - if necessary - spiritual advisor(s) will work it out, hopefully.

And, finally, I think Jared's gotten too much heat for this post.

25. nhe - 10/27/2008 5:22 pm CDT

And, finally, I think Jared's gotten too much heat for this post.


Sorry if it was from me. I initially wondered why he mentioned it.....but now I know - it's an interesting discussion.....I apologize for questioning.

26. Bird - 10/27/2008 5:59 pm CDT

They passed out Actung Baby condoms on the AB tour. Etc. etc. etc.

There's no such thing as the Achtung Baby tour. It was Zoo TV.

;-)

I was talking to my bro (Sha) on the phone about this topic just a couple of hours ago. We both agreed that Bono does some jacked up stuff, and we're past trying to justify his every mis-step. He's like a weirdo family member who you are apprehensive to introduce to other people, for fear that you'd have to justify his behavior.

Jared shouldn't have gotten any heat for posting this.

27. Debbie - 10/27/2008 8:46 pm CDT

Not completely related to the post, but:
Sha, you should overpay to come see them in the UK w/ your sister! (Plus there are a lot of single girls here I could introduce you to . . . just sayin' . . .)

28. Sharpton - 10/27/2008 10:42 pm CDT

"You have heard that it was said, 'Do not commit adultery.'But I tell you that anyone who looks at a woman lustfully has already committed adultery with her in his heart. If your right eye causes you to sin, gouge it out and throw it away. It is better for you to lose one part of your body than for your whole body to be thrown into hell. And if your right hand causes you to sin, cut it off and throw it away. It is better for you to lose one part of your body than for your whole body to go into hell."

Now, as was said, very very very few among males are able to take a picture like that (referring to the pose) and keep a totally pure mind.
I don't really care how big a start Bono is. This was wrong. Bad. At least borderline adultery. Were I a friend of his, I'd give him what-for. I don't see any defense of this. Sorry if I sound harsh, but seriously, if this were, say, an American pastor, he'd have been spit-roasted. It'd be one thing...if Bono hadn't made his faith very public, and supposedly a driving force in his life. He didn't flee from temptation; if anything, it looks like he ran towards it.

29. Milly - 10/28/2008 4:49 am CDT

As the wife of a man who . . . .
He is 48 and they are 19. To me it looked as if they were just posing for a picture. If the story is correct he crossed a line in being with them back at a yachet for a party. I’d wonder if he will hold on to the marriage doing things like that. I know I’d be lawyered up. Oh that’s right I am.

30. Bird - 10/28/2008 6:33 am CDT

if this were, say, an American pastor, he'd have been spit-roasted.

For sure. But, of course, Bono's a rock star, not a pastor. You do make a very good point, though. Especially this one:

It'd be one thing...if Bono hadn't made his faith very public, and supposedly a driving force in his life. He didn't flee from temptation; if anything, it looks like he ran towards it.

That's very disappointing, and very true.

To me it looked as if they were just posing for a picture.

I hope it didn't go beyond the pose, but who knows if we'll ever know. I'd think that someone in Bono's position, who, I'm sure, has millions of women/girls willing to do anything for him, would want to be extra vigilant. Again, this is disappointing.

31. Sharpton - 10/28/2008 7:15 am CDT

Essentially, my point was that he gets held to the same standard as the rest of us. If fans want a pic with him, there are loads of poses that would have been a whole lot less questionable. The classic "standing and shaking hands" wouldn't have made me bat an eye.
Frankly, due to his influence, he should be held to a higher standard than an average pastor.
Sorry if I'm harping, but this is one of those things that gets my goat; rock stars, or whatever, being allowed to be looser in moral. Anyone remember DC Talk's "What if I Stumble" song?

32. stan in san diego - 10/28/2008 1:19 pm CDT

Who in the world ever said that this fellow is an authentic, born-again Christian? You're treating him as some sort of demi-god.

33. Jared - 10/28/2008 1:26 pm CDT

Stan, who's doing that? I don't see anyone treating him a like demigod.

I believe Bono is a born again Christian because he professes a clear understanding of the gospel (more clear even than some evangelical ministers) and because his good works are his attempt at following Jesus out of gratitude for the gospel.

Beyond that, I have no cause to determine he's not a Christian, and certainly I am not comfortable making a declaration that he's not based on his sins. I have plenty of my own that i hope do not disqualify me.

In fact, I posted this implied chastisement precisely because I believe Bono is a believer. If this were some other rock star or celebrity of indeterminate faith, I wouldn't have bothered.

I think the Church has the duty to challenge and convict its own of sin.
Those outside the Church don't know any better.

34. Karl - 10/28/2008 4:04 pm CDT

Well said, Jared.

35. Bird - 10/28/2008 5:56 pm CDT

I believe Bono is a born again Christian because he professes a clear understanding of the gospel (more clear even than some evangelical ministers) and because his good works are his attempt at following Jesus out of gratitude for the gospel.

Amen.

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