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Super Bowl

So, who you got?

I feel like I'm a little on the ledge here, but I'm calling it Patriots 38, Giants 27.

What's your predicted score?

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1. Josh - 02/05/2012 4:04 pm CST

I'm going to predict:

Giants - 41
Patriots - 38

2. Karl - 02/05/2012 4:30 pm CST

Giants 34
Patriots 31

3. nhe - 02/05/2012 5:49 pm CST

Pats 34, Giants 31........I'm the anti-Karl

4. Bill - 02/05/2012 9:32 pm CST

What a game! Just like the last time these teams met - 55 minutes of boredom, 5 minutes of max tension and awesomeness.

Congratulations Giants. It's too bad one of these teams had to lose - Brady was brilliant in this one, as was Manning. Gronk almost had that last pass off the deflection in the end zone.

It's got to be tough in New England tonight, but I suspect the Patriots have another run or two in them.

I was really impressed by Manning's 4th quarter clutch play.

Great game.

5. Bill - 02/05/2012 9:33 pm CST

Also - nhe. Heh :-)

Nice try, but you can't fool me. You guys are the same guy.

6. Tony - 02/06/2012 8:10 am CST

"55 minutes of boredom"

What game were you watching? That was a good battle all the way through. Otherwise, I kinda see your point that the 4th quarter dialed the excitment meter up a bit.

I thought Chris Collinsworth did a fantastic job explaining the finer points - added to the "chess game" these teams were playing.

I was cheering for the Giants but felt like the Patriot receivers gave the game away in the 4th quarter. Wes Welker should have caught that ball he dropped with 4 mins left - if he does, Pats probably win this game. Granted it was thrown a bit behind him but still catchable.

Otherwise, it was a nail biter and it kept me watching commercial's into the 4th quarter :)

The commercials were lame. I didn't even like Ferris Buehler one. Go Daddy, your commercials are so offensive as an IT manager I will "bash" you in my meetings every chance I get.

Madonna did a pretty good job IMO. 53 years old doing flips on steps and singing. It was better than black eyed peas anyway.

7. Bill - 02/06/2012 8:46 am CST

Tony,

I dunno - I was watching the game with Jared's brother Jeremy and a number of people from the College/Young Singles ministry that we serve in. We both kind of agreed. midway through the 3rd quarter, that the game was riveting, yet boring (if that makes any sense). There were no long passes, no exciting plays. Manning and Brady were both doing great, but the action was unspectacular

Don't get me wrong - it was WAY better than those SBs back in the day that were blowouts.

I felt bad for Brady. His receivers let him down. There were three crucial drops in the last few minutes. Without those, the Patriots probably would have won the game.

And, yes, the commercials were pretty average.

8. Karl - 02/06/2012 8:55 am CST

I got the winner and point spread right, but the teams only scored about half the points I predicted. Good game indeed. I agree the last 5 minutes were the most exciting but I found the whole game to be a pretty riveting combination of chess match, and opportunities seized or lost.

I agree w/ the comment by Tony that Chris Collinsworth did an excellent job of explaining the finer points. I loved his pointing out that the deep ball out of bounds was the fault of Manningham's route running not allowing enough cushion to the outside b/t him and the sideline rather than a simple case of Manning making a poor throw (what the average fan would think when a QB throws a pass like that a couple yards out of bounds).

Herm Edwards was on Mike and Mike (ESPN Radio) this morning and made another great point re. why the spectacular 4th quarter 37 yard Manning to Manningham pass/catch never should have happened if the CB had played the right technique for the coverage NE was in. Herm was exactly right, but I hadn't caught it as I watched the game and the replays. As a long time fan and former small-time football player myself, understanding and noticing those intricacies adds so much to my enjoyment of the game.

9. Tony - 02/06/2012 10:19 am CST

Karl, about the finer points...

How about when Chris explained how the Giants team blocked one way but the running back decided to cut back which was a mistake. Or that one of the NE def. lineman wasn't lined up as nose tackle and he was alternating rt/lf guard to try to mess up the Giants running game - worked for the most part. Or the brilliant Tom Brady read/pass (the Giants outside linebacker pulled back and didn't cover the outside lane) to his running back for a twenty-something yard gain. There were several others like this as well.

Obviously there was a team working behind the scenes pointing those things out. They were able to whip up the scene overlays with the arrows pretty quickly - right after the play in many of the cases.

Bill,
"commercials were pretty average."

You're too nice or I'm officially an old minded person (40 years young). If I wasn't too happy about the Go Daddy commercial, can you imagine what I thought about the Fiat one?

10. Karl - 02/06/2012 11:38 am CST

Tony,

Oh yes, those are all great examples of Collinsworth and the broadcast team doing a good job of pointing out the finer points. I thought Collinsworth did an especially good job of making his explanation accessible, at least to most even fairly casual football fans. He didn't overuse insider jargon (like A-gap, or inside technique) without explaining what it means, as some analysts are prone to do. But he didn't dumb it down so much for the once-a-year super bowl fan that no insight could be gained by a knowledgeable fan, either.

Dungy pointed out that on the big throw to Manningham in the game winning drive, New England was playing cover-2, which is a zone pass coverage that features (in its simplest terms) two safeties deep, each responsible for covering his half of the deep portion of the field, and two corners rolled up, each responsible for the outside shallow flats, with the LB's responsible for the middle portion of the field short and intermediate.

In that coverage there is a window right where Manning hit Manningham, deep behind the CB and on the sideline just before the safety can get over. In order to keep offenses from hitting passes in that window, the CB is supposed to line up on the outside shoulder of the WR (Manningham) and jam him to the inside, denying him an outside release, knocking him off stride to the indside, slowing him down and forcing him to work his way back to the sideline and up the field rather than giving him a direct route from the line of scrimmage up the sideline to that window. By doing this, a CB throws off the timing of the deep sideline pass, and allows the safety an extra half second to get over to help break the pass up. What the NE CB apparently did however, was misalign and give up a relatively easy outside release to Manningham so he was able to get to and up the sideline with little disruption. Herm Edwards, a former NFL CB (not to mention defensive minded coach), was beside himself regarding the NE CB's failure to execute the basic fundamentals of cover-2 technique in that situation. But what the casual fan sees is just a phenomenal play by Manningham and Manning. Which it was, a truely phenomenal throw and catch. But with proper pre-snap alignment and execution by the CB, the opportunity for that phenomenal play should never have even been there.

I love the games within the game...

11. Karl - 02/06/2012 11:50 am CST

The replay on this video (starts about 14 seconds in) shows the cb aligned head-up on Manningham several yards off (rather than shading heavily to Manningham's outside shoulder) and easily giving up the inside release. He immediately turns and chases Manningham b/c (a) no other NE eligible receivers were on that side of the formation, including none going to his area of responsibility, the flats, and (b) he realizes his mistake in giving up the outside release to allow Manningham such an easy streak up the sideline and in that case with no other receivers to that side of the formation his job is to get as deep as he can to make the deep window difficult to hit. But the damage was already done.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RafXVv0eNOM

12. Bill - 02/06/2012 1:59 pm CST

It's a game of inches - you're right, one little mistake makes such a difference. It was an amazing throw (perfect, really) and catch, only made possible by the corner's slight misalignment.

13. Tony - 02/06/2012 2:27 pm CST

Hmmm, do you think Manning would have thrown the ball to Manningham in the first place, if the CB would have covered correctly :)

If if's and but's were candy and nuts...

14. Karl - 02/06/2012 5:03 pm CST

How about Gisele's postgame comments:

Waiting for an elevator after the game with some other Patriots' wives, Gisele was videotaped saying, "I can't believe they dropped the ball so many times. My husband cannot f---ing throw the ball and catch the ball at the same time."

That kind of self centered public hissy fit is par for the course in the world of fashion divas and high strung designers. But it's anathema to the "we are family" atmosphere of a healthy NFL locker room, the kind of community Robert Kraft is trying to foster. It's more the New York Jets side of the NFL than the "now man is bigger than the team" NE Pat's. ESPN's Doug Gottleib was calling her "Yoko Ono" this afternoon. I wonder if there will be any fallout or if (most likely) the team will put it behind them this offseason. As long as there isn't a repeat performance.

15. Bill - 02/06/2012 9:21 pm CST

Well, in Gisele's defense, in this day and age no one gets any privacy - people are being recorded, basically, 24x7. She made an emotional comment (and she kind of had a point) - she shouldn't have made it, but I give her a pass.

And knowing the discipline of the Patriots locker-room, I doubt this will last past a news cycle or two.

Good call on the Jets - too much swagger, too little accomplishment

16. Karl - 02/06/2012 9:51 pm CST

The eyebrow raiser for me was that she said it to other Patriots players' wives, in a relatively public place with media members within hearing distance. One can only hope none of the other players wives she said it to were married to TE's or WR's. But I tend to agree with you Bill that she gets a cautionary pass and the Pats' locker room is plenty strong enough to withstand it, as long as this is an isolated incident and not a trend. But the media is ready to turn her into the wedge in that locker room (star QB's supermodel wife has become the Yoko Ono of the Pats) and she's going to be sought after for quotes re. her thoughts on the team, probably well into next fall. Probably a good thing there's an offseason cooling off period.

17. Tony - 02/07/2012 10:31 am CST

No pass for Gisele. Tar and feather her. Shackle her in the public square so people can spit on her for such a heinous emotional comment ;)

I'm not sure anyone will care or even remember her comment 6 months from now. The WR wives/girlfriends need to be intellectually honest and "admit" their husbands/boyfriends dropped the ball and it's just a game.

18. Quaid - 02/07/2012 3:50 pm CST

Just noting some records from this season:

Vince Young vs. the World Champions: 1-0
Brady vs. the World Champions: 0-2

;)

BTW - Hopefully, this is an obvious attempt at humor. No one with a rational brain would think Vince better than Brady. At least not yet.

19. nhe - 02/07/2012 5:35 pm CST

Karl - we disagree!.......to me, unregenerate (assumed) exotic, beautiful billionaires are going to default to speaking their mind (context be darned) when pushed. I'm not excusing her, but I don't think it's newsworthy......she was right btw.

20. Karl - 02/07/2012 6:34 pm CST

nhe, you sound like Colin Cowherd; he said essentially the same thing this afternoon.

I agree that people such as Gisele will default to speaking their minds. Like I said, it would fit right in at a fashion show in Milan if a supermodel or fashion designer had a public "cameras-be-damned" snit, or even just said something catty with no regard for who was around. Par for the course in that world. But in the world of team sports, while it's far from unheard of it's also not considered kosher for a player let alone a player's wife or girlfriend, to make that kind of comment in public, no matter how true. Does it happen? Yeah. But it's uncool, and it's the sort of thing that tore apart the NY Jets locker room this season, and the sort of thing the absence of which usually separates the culture of the Pats and other healthy locker rooms, from the culture of train-wreck teams like this year's jets, the Oakland Raiders of the past decade, any team that has had TO on it in the last few years, etc.

Not the biggest thing in the world but not a total non-event either, IMO.

21. Andrew - 02/07/2012 11:24 pm CST

We're ignoring the real issue. Gisele's anger that night has nothing to do with the fact that Wes Welker dropped a really tough ball (poorly thrown, by the way). Gisele is angry, because she knows that it was her fault. Her husband bears her curse. The Curse of Gisele, some call it.

Before Gisele ripped the Irish Brady from his poor Irish lass and their ill-fated Irish child, Paddy couldn't be beaten. Three Super Bowls, ten wins in the playoffs, all the prestige in the world. Since Gisele, there has been Spygate, Super Bowl XLII, a blown out knee, a handful of lackluster playoff performances, and now Super Bowl XLVI. Boyo is cursed. And his exotic bride is to blame. Her comments revealed only a tragic self-awareness.

22. nhe - 02/08/2012 10:21 am CST

Andrew - you have a point - I've heard Gisele called "Gisoko Ono" a lot recently, some say she has ruined the band.

Karl - I think you hit on it - it's a clash of two worlds that was inevitably going to happen at some point........I find it amusing, but I think it gets far more press than it should.... I just wouldn't expect anything less from Gisele in that situation.

23. Tony - 02/08/2012 11:17 am CST

I don't mean to take anything away from Tebow as I like Tim Tebow's testimony. But this is too funny to pass up:

The next football player posture Internet craze could be Bradying:

the act of being in the seated position, shoulders at 80-degree angle with the head slouching as if just dropped another catch and you can’t play WR, too. Right hand in a fist while left hand acts as the Chipotle burrito shell. Feet perfectly at 90-degree angle. Forearms on thighs. And with that, America has its new rage – Bradying.

http://www.yardbarker.com/nfl/articles/msn/bradying_to_replace_tebowing_as_next_twitter_tumblr_craze/9807775/?ocid=ansfox11

24. Karl - 02/08/2012 3:36 pm CST

As they should, the Pats appear to be circling the wagons and keeping mum. But some of the Giants are willing to offer their take on Gisele:

Osi Umenyiora:
"I mean she's supposed to stay out of things like that," said the Giants defensive end."But at the end of the day that's their relationship and she has the right to say whatever she wants to."

Brandon Jacobs:
"She just needs to continue to be cute and shut up"

25. nhe - 02/08/2012 3:42 pm CST

Yeah Brandon, the billion-dollar super model's place is barefoot, pregnant, in the kitchen.....uh huh........does he have her mixed up with June Cleaver?

26. Karl - 02/08/2012 4:21 pm CST

Well . . . I wonder what other supermodels or some fashion designer would say, if Tom showed up at a fashion show and said something snitty about other models or a designer, and how they were making his perfect wife look bad? "Tom should just continue to throw footballs and shut up about the fashion world"?

If you aren't in your own millieu, shut it and stick to your area of expertise. Which in Giselle's case isn't all that far from what Brandon said . . . thought "cute" may not be the adjective that most would first choose for Giselle on the catwalk.

I'm doing my best here, to prove to Bill that we aren't the same person . . .

27. nhe - 02/08/2012 4:36 pm CST

Karl, count me among those who fully defend Gisele's right to act entitled and snooty, anytime, any venue....it's not like she's the Tim Tebow of fashion models. If she was, I might hold her to a higher standard and tell her to put on a one-piece. Wasn't there a Christian fashion model in the 80/90s? Carol Alt or something? I might have that wrong.

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