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The Anchoress on RINOs

The Anchoress has an article out on Pajamas Media about the current True Conservative (TC) phenomenon: Mama, We're All RINOs Now. A taste:

If anyone is keeping tabs on it, the Great Impure Conservative Purge is continuing apace. It seems both Cal Thomas and Oliver North — yes, Oliver North — have suggested that right-wing voters unify behind presumptive nominee Senator John McCain, and thus they have been tagged in right-wing internet forums as impure RINOs. Having failed to meet the exacting standards of the “true conservatives” within the GOP, these two are the latest heretics and infidels to be identified as “Republican In Name Only.”

North and Thomas join an illustrious gang of other RINOs identified and purged from the ranks of the “true conservatives,” including President George W. Bush, Karl Rove, John McCain, Mike Huckabee, Rudy Giuliani, Fred Thompson (his endorsement of John McCain earned him a place), Ted Olsen, Tony Snow, George Will, Deb Price, Bill Kristol, the Wall Street Journal’s Mark Helprin, Ross Douthat, David Brooks, Don Surber, the pre-Florida-panic Mitt Romney, most of the GOP “establishment,” and anyone else who suggests that a John McCain presidency — in a time of war, and with several formaldehyde-sucking SCOTUS justices likely to need replacing the moment George W. Bush helicopters out of Washington, DC — might be preferable to a Hillary Clinton or Barack Obama presidency.

. . .

And of course they still like Rush Limbaugh and the rest of the Talk Radio True Conservatives, who have basically yakked themselves into a corner with their demonization of Senator McCain as a “liberal, no different from Hillary!” So unrestrained have they been in their absolutes that they no longer have the option of suggesting that maybe the TCs should “hold the nose and vote for McCain.” In suggesting such a thing, the Talk Radioists would be identifying themselves as “untrue” conservatives (J’accuse!) to be kicked curbside by the very purists whose anger they have nourished, and who will not be appeased because — truly — they are Republicans in Name Only, and the party simply cannot meet their principled needs.
She's being pummeled in the comments thread for saying things like this.

In other news, I'm a conservative. But I did go to the Obama rally here in Houston last night, mainly because this intelligent young guy invited me.

It was an eye-opener. I took a lot of notes. More coming . . .

For now, I'll leave you with more Anchoress (Wayne and Garth say "excellent"): did you know Bush is still in Africa?

Yeah, me neither.

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Comments on "The Anchoress on RINOs":
1. The Ancient Mariner - 02/20/2008 9:35 am CST

This adolescent ridiculosity is making me increasingly angry.

2. Quaid - 02/20/2008 11:49 am CST

I watched some of BO's speech on CNN. I got really bored, but it looked like everyone there was pretty pumped up. I liked when he thanked the opening band. They had an interesting name.

I'll be going to see Mike tomorrow morning, if anyone wants to meet up there!

3. Evan - 02/20/2008 8:11 pm CST

Quaid,

You can't seriously still think Huckabee has a chance? It is an increasingly bizarre campaign with no visible reason for him to still be out there.

And than there are his statements explaining it like those in this article:

http://thehill.com/leading-the-news/huckabee-hammers-gop-2008-02-20.html

McCain shares Huckabee's committment on life issues; both originally supported some sort of guest worker program but are now immigration enforcement first advocates; and both are squishy on economic issues, often talking in populist/liberal terms instead of free market positions. And when it comes to foreign policy, Huckabee often praises McCain, who obviously has way more experience and knowledge in that area.

So what exact different choice does Huckabee want to give voters that they are not getting with McCain? Someone who is a preacher instead of a politician? Someone even more populist/liberal than McCain on economic issues?

Personally, I wish that Fred Thompson or Duncan Hunter was still in the race so there was a more conservative option on economic issues out there. But Huckabee clearly is not that kind of alternative.

4. Bill - 02/20/2008 10:18 pm CST

"Personally, I wish that Fred Thompson or Duncan Hunter was still in the race"

Was Duncan Hunter ever in the race, really?

5. The Ancient Mariner - 02/21/2008 9:33 am CST

It would have been nice if he had been; but if Duncan Hunter wants to be a realistic presidential candidate someday, he needs to succeed Schwarzenegger as governor of CA. (Which isn't likely to happen.)

6. Raindream - 02/21/2008 12:02 pm CST

She makes a good point, but still Rush Limbaugh does not talk this way. Maybe Michael Savage does, but I don't care about him. People seem to throw around Rush's name to designate just about any talk radio host out there. This RINO disease appears to be primarily with the voters.

And yes, I knew Bush was in Africa--even heard a rocker complain about it.

7. Bill - 02/21/2008 12:41 pm CST

?

I've only listened to about 5 minutes of Rush Limbaugh in the last month, and he spent every second of that five minutes trashing McCain.

8. Raindream - 02/21/2008 1:13 pm CST

heh, heh. That's funny, Bill, but are you making a joke or being serious?

9. Bill - 02/21/2008 1:20 pm CST

Well, I was being serious. :-)

I don't want to argue with you, Raindream. I know you like Rush Limbaugh. I used to to, but don't listen to him much anymore.

I have always respected Hannity. But he also was having palpitations about McCain. It wasn't as bad as the conversation that Glenn Beck and James Dobson were having, where they both were (I'm not making this up) wondering if the McCain nomination was a herald of the end-times.

In short, I'm kinda done with 'em. The Anchoress's point was pretty solid, I think. These guys have been trashing McCain for months. Who will they support in the general election? They can't in good faith support McCain. I don't think so, anyway.

I like McCain. And I'm a conservative.

I like you too. So let's not fight :-)

10. Raindream - 02/21/2008 2:40 pm CST

Well, if it's a fight you want . . . heh, heh, heh.

I understand, and even though I laugh at the Beck/Dobson conversation, it isn't funny. But here's a reality check on Rush's position, which I think is similar enough to Hannity's and . . . who's the woman whose relatively new to the circuit? Laura Ingraham. They will vote for McCain and support him as the lesser of two bad choices for president. Rush has talked about how McCain can win and berated Obama and Clinton for their policies, and though he has scared me by seeming to support failure over voting for McCain, he has never actually believed that.

But at least for Rush, if not the others, he will not pull his punches. I remember him saying in 2006 (maybe) that he would not carry anyone's water anymore. He isn't unkind, but he said he probably pulled punches in the past at times and would not do that in the future. We're hearing some of this now. So He will continue to strongly criticized McCain, even into the White House, but he'll likely criticize Obama more during the campaign.

11. Bill - 02/21/2008 3:03 pm CST

Well, more power to him.

I'm hoping that the heavy influence of talk-radio has run its course. I think, over time, it's done more harm than good.

[Bill ducks to avoid a Raindream roundhouse kick to the face]

12. Raindream - 02/21/2008 3:31 pm CST

[Hey! Come 'ere! Oh! Strained my back.]

So, do you think The Inter-nets will take the place of talk radio--blogs, podcasts, and online news and opinion sources?

13. Bill - 02/21/2008 3:37 pm CST

I'm not sure. In some ways they already have.

I don't mean that talk-radio is going away. I don't want it to go away. I'd like it to change a bit, though. Less Coulterish, more humble and less arrogant (*cough* Limbaugh *cough*)

[Bill smashes the bottle in his hand against a nearby cinderblock wall, to make a ready weapon.

Unfortunately, the bottle is a plastic 20oz diet coke]

14. Raindream - 02/21/2008 4:44 pm CST

You're dinted plastic thingy scares me not!! Ha, ha!

15. Quaid - 02/21/2008 11:56 pm CST

Evan, I do still think Huckabee has a chance. If he wins Texas, he might gain enough momentum to prevent McCain from reaching 1191 delegates. If the vote goes to the convention floor, forcing a brokered convention, there are plenty of scenarios in which McCain ends up the loser.

By the way,
Mike and Mac do not share the same positions when it comes to the issue of life:
-McCain does not support the Human Life Amendment
-McCain supports stem cell research while Mike is clearly against creating a life only to destroy it later for research purposes

McCain and Huckabee's positions on immigration are somewhat different:
-McCain wants to build a fence and then allow workers to apply for an unlimited-term visa after paying a fine which does not require them to apply for citizenship or return to their homeland
-Huckabee wants to build a fence. Fine buisnesses who hire illegal immigrants. He wants those who are illegal to return home and get in the back of the line after modernizing the immigration process. This sounds difficult, but if they can't find work here, returning home where they can earn a living will be motivation to move out.
(Both will deport illegal criminals)

While you might consider issues such as achieving energy independence, eliminating the Income Tax and imposing the FairTax "squishy", I find those stances on issues particularly compelling and "solid".


By the way, you write with seeming disdain and in a somewhat patronizing tone. Hopefully, that wasn't your intention.

16. Joseph D. Walch - 02/22/2008 8:09 am CST

I don't see how Huck possibly makes it to the nomination. Perhaps if there were some kind of 'miracle' (e.g. McCain dies of a heart attack, Romney is assasinated, and other governors decide not to challenge him) then perhaps Huckabee has a shot. He only got a couple more points than Romney in Wisconsin and Romney's not even running anymore.

I agree that McCain is much more apt to compromise in the issue of life, unfortunately. McCain can be a real SOB as well, but when it comes to fighting terrorist, I am not sure we want somebody who plays nice nice in the WH. If only Huckabee hadn't alienated the Romney constituents with sotto voce attacks against his character.

17. Raindream - 02/22/2008 10:54 am CST

You know, Bill [wherever you are--I know you're hiding somewhere out there, and when you pop out, I'll be waitin'], you may enjoy listening to the Fox News Talk show Brian and the Judge. It's Brian Kilmede and Judge Napolitano. They are lots of fun and very interesting. They have strong opinions, of course, but they don't demagogue anyone. They're both conservative, but they disagree on many things which makes it challenging and thought-provoking. I think Brian tends to take a more emotional response and Napolitano clearly sides with the letter of current law and constitutional intent over modern common wisdom.

They come on from 9-12.

18. Quaid - 02/22/2008 11:29 am CST

"He only got a couple more points than Romney in Wisconsin and Romney's not even running anymore."

I'm not sure what this means . . . Huckabee got 37% of the vote while Romney got 2%. (McCain 55, Paul 5)

I agree that it's a long shot, (a very long shot), but it still remains a "shot". As long as there's a shot, Huck will stay in and I will support that effort.

19. Bill - 02/22/2008 11:29 am CST

[Bill pops smoke and comes out from his cleverly hidden foxhole, M16 blazin' . . .

Well, sort of blazin'. click, click, click.

Forgot my ammo!! D'oh!!!!!

Raindream cuts Bill down with a blast from his M60.

He loves to hear da lamentation of da women. Sounds like . . . victory . . . ]

20. Joseph D. Walch - 02/22/2008 3:57 pm CST

Sorry, I meant Washington. (probably all those Spokane voters).

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