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- Rick Warren
The Death of Emmie's Baby

A woman is counseled toward terminating her pregnancy online, here, here and here.

Painful read. I titled this post the way I did because the woman seeking counsel, who ultimately had an abortion, calls her unborn child her "baby" throughout.

Hat Tip: K-Lo at the Corner:
It Takes an Online Village to Have an Abortion.

Follow up responses on the Corner: This one from a woman who had an abortion twenty eight years ago.

And an email from a person who was adopted.

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Comments on "The Death of Emmie's Baby":
1. Bird - 06/17/2009 1:29 pm CDT

The one thing I realized, when I pulled all the comments together, was that a baby is too precious and wonderful to not plan for — I owe the children I have a better head start.

That's something she said toward the end of it all.

How about this: a baby is too precious and wonderful to murder.

Abortion is glorified Nazism. How pathetic that we think we have the right to ask the question on whether or not we can end the life of an unborn child, much less go through with the murder.

We don't have the right to ask the question.

2. Shrode - 06/17/2009 1:35 pm CDT

I just pray that the NYT commenters who counseled this young woman to abortion are not indicative of the general public.

Some comments that really amaze me, and not in a good way:

Since I was 19 I have had this master plan in my head….”26-28-30”. Get married at 26, a child at 28 and another at 30. I struggled and struggled with having a baby I was neither emotionally or financially ready for. I decided with the encouragement of my family and friends, that being selfish in the now can equate to being selfless in the future. And after much consideration, I decided to have an abortion in my fifth week of pregnancy.

Was I sad, distraught and even angry at myself for a few months? Yes. Did I end up going to graduate school, earning my degree, landing a terrific job, meeting a wonderful man who loves me, getting married to him and last October having our beautiful son (right on target in my 26th year and 6th month on earth)? Yes! Would I have been able to have the above happen in my life if I had had that baby? No. So at the end of the day was having an abortion the right thing to do? In my mind and my heart, I have no doubt that it was absolutely the right thing to do.

Get all the advice you need Sweetie, but don’t you dare compromise on what you want for YOUR life. Don’t you dare compromise on YOUR life. That is all I will say. I wish you the best of luck. You sound like a smart, hardworking girl who has her head on straight. Do what is right for YOU. No one else.


Would I have been able to have the above happen in my life if I had had that baby? No. So at the end of the day was having an abortion the right thing to do? In my mind and my heart, I have no doubt that it was absolutely the right thing to do.

To these people there is no inherent value of human life, specifically that of the unborn child.

And finally from Emmie herself:
Once I came to the decision to terminate the pregnancy, so much of the guilt and sadness I’d been feeling melted away. I felt happy for the first time since finding out and I feel like my family is supportive of my decision. I’m focusing on the child I’ll have in a few years from now with someone I feel safe with and supported by. The life of that child will be infinitely better than this one and, sometimes, I wonder if such a miserable, lonely woman could even have a healthy child. There’s more to being a good birth mother than avoiding alcohol and eating right and I just don’t know if I have it. I’m a responsible girl but maybe that means knowing when you’ve put too much on yourself and it won’t work out.

In some ways, I feel like I’ve given up. I didn’t want to go down without a fight, I wanted to be a tough mother who braved the world for her child. But maybe that’s the truly selfish decision, to expect my baby to understand why there’s no father and no money and no time to spend with mom. How could I raise a confident child under those circumstances? I know it’s been done but I want to do better — that’s the future I envision for myself.

I owe a lot of that to your readers. They asked questions and pointed out arguments I never considered. They were honest, sometimes harsh, but always considerate. The one thing I realized, when I pulled all the comments together, was that a baby is too precious and wonderful to not plan for — I owe the children I have a better head start.


But that last sentence floors me. a baby is too precious and wonderful to not plan for — I owe the children I have a better head start.

But not too precious to live, apparently. Better to die, than to experience economic hardship.

Wow. Welcome to the culture of death.

3. Matt A - 06/17/2009 1:58 pm CDT

As one who struggled through infertility treatments, waited more than two years to adopt my daughter, and is now waiting again for another child to come along, stories like these take my breath away. Do these mothers really have no idea what the gift of adoption would mean for their child and the adoptive family?

4. Cara - 06/17/2009 5:04 pm CDT

If we were to use the logic applied by the readers, and Emmie herself, we are wasting all our money trying to save the poverty-stricken and unplanned children dying every day in Africa. Just get out your guns and kill them all. Because according to those who counselled Emmie, if you don't have everything you want and need, and complete control of the timing of all events in your life you should just kill the baby.

This all comes down to the asinine refusal to recognize that life begins at the moment of conception, and not when the child can survive outside the womb.

I can't stand these stories, they make me so sad.

5. Ryan - 06/17/2009 9:22 pm CDT

I don't understand this whole debate on abortion. Of course there are other options. Adoption is a great option because so many people want to have children but can not. Contraception is by far the best option, if you do not want a baby...use protection. Family planning is an important human responsibility. If you are not ready for children use a condom and/or birth control. To error is human. Having a choice is your right as a human though.
Abortion is not the same as others have said as going around killing people. Not true, unborn fetuses do not have rights. Rights start when you are born. If the mother of an unborn fetus doesn't feel it right to bring a child in to this world. That is her right. Her right to choose.

6. Jared - 06/17/2009 9:27 pm CDT

Not true, unborn fetuses do not have rights. Rights start when you are born.

What is your source for this, Ryan?
Why draw the line at the birth canal?

If the mother of an unborn fetus doesn't feel it right to bring a child in to this world. That is her right.

What if a mother of a just born fetus regrets giving birth? Tough luck?

7. tsmith - 06/18/2009 12:05 am CDT

My husband and I have been helping our 27 yr. old single daughter raise her 3 1/2 yr old daughter. They live with us, and I get the awesome priviledge of keeping her while her mom works. She is fabulous in that she is made in the Image of God. Yes, my husband and I were crushed when our daughter told us she was pregnant. The Lord worked in our hearts, reminded us this child is a blessing from Him. I don't know what her future holds for her, the father has never been involved, but she hears how much God loves her everyday. She knows the cross is where Jesus died for our sins. Our hope is that we help provide a safe foundation from which she can work through the issues she will face someday. When our granddaughter was just a few weeks old, I walked in on my daughter while she was nursing her. My daughter looked up and said, " I know I did this all wrong, but now I can't imagine my life without her." It hasn't been easy, by a long shot, but that little girl is worth the effort, for she is made in the Image of God. That's what's so grevious about abortion: each child that is destroyed through abortion is a unique version of the Image of God that is destroyed, the world will never get to see. Also, when people decide on abortion, they only focus on potential negative aspects, they never dream and hope about the possibilities with their future child.

8. Bill - 06/18/2009 7:08 am CDT

tsmith

Thanks for commenting - and God bless you, your husband, your daughter, and your little precious one.

A thought that struck me today - when a baby is aborted, not only is their life over, but the lives of their future children. A branch of the tree is snuffed out.

9. Whitney - 06/18/2009 8:12 am CDT

I am saddened, sickened, shocked.
Even so, not surprised. Abortion is awful... no, more than that. I'm not sure I could think of a word that could completely describe the horrific-ness of it. But, what else should I expect from people who don't know God??? That doesn't mean that I'm willing to sit back apathetically, shrug my shoulders, and just let it go, not by any means. It does mean that I feel a responsibility to show love to people, in the hopes and expectation that the demonstrations of godly love creates a chink in their armor enough for the Holy Spirit to work on their hearts.
I can't change people, legislation can't change people... God can.

10. jen - 06/18/2009 9:03 am CDT

I have long been pro-life with no exceptions. Then having children made that conviction all the stronger. And it struck me the other day that to be a parent is the definition of what it means to be selfless. You have to set aside your own agenda and life to put your kids' well being at the top of the priorities - you lose sleep when they are babies and need to eat in the middle of the night, you forget to eat because you're busy taking care of them, you ignore your own sniffles and coughs because you're taking care of your child's sniffles and coughs, you don't get to read that book or go to see that movie because you're playing with your children, and I know that I would step in front of a bus to protect my own child from that bus.

These poor babies who are killed because of the immense selfishness of their mothers must have a special place in heaven.

11. Bob Sacamento - 06/18/2009 9:21 am CDT

Not true, unborn fetuses do not have rights. Rights start when you are born.

Sorry, Ryan, but you are begging the question here. The point you make is exactly where all the disagreement is.

If the mother of an unborn fetus doesn't feel it right to bring a child in to this world. That is her right. Her right to choose.

If this is just meant as a bald assertion of your opinion, well, OK. But if this is somehow meant as an argument, then, sorry, but you are begging the question again.

12. Daniel Ross - 06/18/2009 10:25 am CDT

Our culture worships the god of self.

13. the sentinel - 06/18/2009 12:31 pm CDT

It seems to me an odd assertion that that which defines one's right to life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness, is not human DNA, or brain waves, or a beating heart, but rather, one's journey through the birth canal.

How, pray tell, does the mere passage of inches from womb to outside world earn one these rights?
On what basis is such an assumption made?

I simply do not understand this "logic" and have yet to find anyone who asserts the idea, offer anything in the way of elaboration as to how such a conclusion was arrived at.

Ryan, I would like very much to hear your defense of this position. You state it so emphatically that surely, you have a thought process that has brought you to this point. Would you care to share it with us? I mean this as a sincere inquiry.

14. Shrode - 06/18/2009 1:15 pm CDT

Ryan,
Thanks for commenting.

You wrote: Having a choice is your right as a human though.

I might help you clarify that statement. You mean having a choice is your right as a born human. Unborn humans don't get a choice about whether or not they live or die. In our current society, under current law, they are at the mercy of their mothers.

Abortion is not the same as others have said as going around killing people. Not true, unborn fetuses do not have rights. Rights start when you are born.

You are right. Legally. This is the law of the land. Right now, unborn fetuses have no rights.

Are they human? Yes. They have human DNA and two human parents.

Are they alive? Yes. They receive nourishment and they grow. (plants and your eyeballs are alive too.)

Those two points are self-evident. But there's one more thing, the thing that realy matters that they don't have right now under the law: personhood.

Under the current law, the Supreme Court has made it clear, that unborn human beings are not afforded the protection of the Constitution.

What we are arguing, however, is though they don't currently "legally" have personhood status, they should. (Once upon a time african-americans didn't have personhood status either and that was morally wrong.) Just because it's legal, doesn't make it moral.

Because we believe that they are persons. We believe the law of the land is wrong in this regard.

Think about it. Why is whether or not you are inside a mother's womb the determining factor of whether or not you are a "person" with rights?

And one last thing, isn't it weird that PETA is fighting for the legal protections under the law accorded to persons for flys?

15. Brian - 06/19/2009 12:18 pm CDT

So children are simply too precious... not to kill them.

I guess when trying to rationalize murder, it can be hard to stay out of incoherence.

I've had a belief that if only women could be educated on all the choices available to them and what they actually entail, and if they really had full control over those decisions, far fewer would end up choosing abortion.

"Emma" gets me thinking -- is that really true? Is she just a stereotypical liberal with a moral sense turned upside down so that bad is good and good is bad -- part of an indefatigable minority of privileged, selfish people who will obliterate anyone or anything who gets in the way of their ambition, while being able to express how their atrocious act is truly selfless and pure, in flawless PC-speak?

Or is she typical of what we can expect from people in this culture once educated and empowered?

16. Inklingstar - 06/19/2009 2:24 pm CDT

I'm known to be harsh on this subject, so I'll try to tone it down. I think that mothers who have abortions are indeed guilty of murder, no different than mothers who kill their infants after birth. All this talk about preventing unwanted pregnancy and not bringing an unwanted child into the world is simply dressing to rationalize a heinous act. Deep inside, they know that it is wrong.

Logically, if a pregnant woman can go to the doctor and have the baby sucked out and killed, merely out of convenience, why not allow parents to kill their infants or toddlers? Most of the same arguments that apply to unborn children apply to born ones too - they're completely dependent on their parents, what happens in a family is private, etc. In ancient times, unwanted children were left in the woods to die. Have we so regressed?

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