"And do you now begin to see why Christianity has always said that the devil is a fallen angel? That is not a mere story for the children. It is a real recognition of the fact that evil is a parasite, not an original thing. The powers which enable evil to carry on are powers given it by goodness."

- C.S. Lewis
The Elephant In The Room: Are We Singing Too Loudly?

A few weeks ago I was on an Antonin Scalia kick. So I watched some interviews on line and read about him. Fascinating fella.

Today I decided it was time to get to know Clarence Thomas. Admittedly, I did't know much about him. This interview is fascinating. Read it to get to know more about his upbringing and how he thinks.

But here's what jumped out at me, probably because it's really been on my mind the last few days.

Thomas believes the real issue being fought over during his confirmation was all but unspoken. "The issue was abortion. That's the issue today," Thomas says. "That was the elephant in the room."

"In what sense?" Kroft asks.

That was it. That's the issue. That is the issue that people apparently are so upset about. That you determine the composition of your Supreme Court and your entire federal judiciary, it seems now," Thomas says.

"Your opponents were afraid that you might at some point rule against or help overturn Roe V. Wade?" Kroft asks.

"I have no idea what they thought. But they knew one thing. They weren't in charge of me. So, I wasn't gonna do their bidding," Thomas says.

Thomas believes the issue of abortion is not addressed in the Constitution and should be left to the states to decide. If that were to become the majority opinion on the court, abortion could be outlawed in 40 percent of the country.


Scalia and Roberts may or may not vote to overturn Roe V. Wade because not only are they originalists, but they are also firm believers in the concept of stare decisis, which means keeping with the precedent of prior Supreme Court decisions. In 2004, Scalia revealed that Thomas is not.

Scalia added that "if a constitutional line of authority is wrong, he would say let's get it right. I wouldn't do that."

Stare decisis is a fancy Latin term that stands for a bedrock proposition of U.S. law: that the Supreme Court will uphold precedent and not disturb settled law without special justification.


Here's my reason for this post:

Abortion is evil, evil, evil, evil, evil.

Prepare yourself first, but then go look at this website - abort73.com - It's the best anti-abortion site I've ever seen.

And listen to Pastor John:


And then I ask myself, am I doing enough? I don't know. I doubt it. But I have come to this:

There's nothing wrong with being a single issue voter, if saving the lives of MILLIONS of children is the issue. I believe that we must vote for John McCain, and then put pressure on him to appoint Supreme Court Justices that might overturn Roe V. Wade. I know that's not popular to say. Liberals don't mind making that their litmus test, but conservatives seem to be too scared to.

I think maybe (myself included) that I may be too much like these people:

In a small church on the East Coast a pastor delivered a sermon on abortion and after the service a German man who had lived in Nazi Germany told of his experience:

I lived in Germany during the Nazi Holocaust. I considered myself a Christian. We heard stories of what was happening to the Jews, but we tried to distance ourselves from it, because, what could anyone do to stop it?

A railroad track ran behind our small church, and each Sunday morning we could hear the whistle in the distance and then the wheels coming over the tracks. We became disturbed when we heard the cries coming from the train as it passed by. We realized that it was carrying Jews like cattle in the cars!

Week after week the whistle would blow. We dreaded to hear the sound of those wheels because we knew that we would hear the cries of the jews en route to the death camp. Their screams torment us.

We knew the time the train was coming and when we heard the whistle blow we began singing hymns. By the time the train came past our church we were singing at the top of our voices. If we heard the screams, we sang more loudly and soon we heard them no more.

Years have passed and no one talks about it anymore. But I still hear that train whistle in my sleep. God forgive me; forgive all of us who called ourselves Chrsitians and yet did nothing... (From Hitler's Cross by Erwin Lutzer, Moody Press, 1995, pp.99-100)


Of course, the unborn don't scream, so all we have to do is fill our thoughts with other things so we don't have to think about the massacre that is occuring in slaughter houses disguised as clinics, instead of gas chambers disguised as showers.

God have mercy.

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Comments on "The Elephant In The Room: Are We Singing Too Loudly?":
1. Diana - 07/01/2008 2:53 pm CDT

After that series I haven't touched a coke since, only to discover pepsi is a better product.

I'm afraid what re-visiting history would keep me from.

But I'm game.

2. Shrode - 07/01/2008 3:23 pm CDT

Diana,
No offense, but what are you talking about?

3. Knight's Disciple - 07/01/2008 4:56 pm CDT

This is why I cannot bring myself to vote Obamessiah, ever. Anyone who would even think of using the term "punished with a baby" cannot get my vote as a conscientious Christian. I just can't. (It helps I don't align with him anywhere else.) But yes, I'm also willing to be single-issue on this. I can't let myself not be.

4. Shrode - 07/01/2008 5:06 pm CDT

I didn't mean this to be a condemnation of pro-lifers who may be voting for Obama. (But I do confess, that I'd love to dissuade them. :)

I should also say that in my opinion, a better way to end abortion would be with a constitutional amendment defining unborn children as persons with the right to "life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness" like the rest of us.

5. Diana - 07/01/2008 5:34 pm CDT

Sorry, those hearings were brutal and that's all I could remember, guess it worked.

Luk 8:25 “Where is your faith?” he asked His disciples.

In fear and amazement they asked one another, “Who is this? He commands even the winds and the water, and they obey him.”

AND HE'LL DO IT AGAIN.

6. Quaid - 07/01/2008 6:09 pm CDT

Dang. John Piper. I never considered the cultural genocide angle to abortion. Extremely interesting.

I remember the Thomas interview on 60 minutes - it was a very good one. Of his interview, Scalia's and O'Connor's, I'm least impressed with Sandra's and most impressed with Tony's. Clarence, however, was certainly an interesting bio.

Yesterday Obama came out with his plan to expand Bush's faith-based initiative. I think this is a good plan, but this quote at the end of this article got me thinking:

[Obama] planned to talk bluntly about the genesis of his Christian faith in his work as a community organizer in Chicago, and its importance to him now.

"In time, I came to see faith as being both a personal commitment to Christ and a commitment to my community; that while I could sit in church and pray all I want, I wouldn't be fulfilling God's will unless I went out and did the Lord's work," he was to say.

I don't know if I'm viewing his candidacy with conservative-colored glasses, but I feel as if Obama might be playing politics with my faith. It's very possible that 'W' did the same eight (and four) years ago. I hesitate to judge.

As far as getting the court packed with Lifers, I'm not sure that McCain will get the job done either, but I have a heck of a better chance with him in office rather than Barack.

It's obvious that Obama is seeking the evangelical vote, and he may be winning much of it. I guess the true test is how many evangelicals are pro-choice and/or are willing to vote for someone who is staunchly pro-choice?

I have friends who I would think fall into the "evangelical" category (whatever that means) who demonstrate their support for Obama on their facebook site. I don't know how to approach the subject with them without sounding judgmental, but I just want to ask, "I know that he carries himself well and has a lot of ideas of how to lead the country, but how do you mitigate his support of murder in your support for him?"

I'm sorry to say that this is pretty much a deal-breaker for me, too. I don't want to be a one-issue guy, but this is just too much. Abortion is too heinous to overlook and I am compelled to use it as a litmus test.

God have mercy on this nation. It is a testament to His grace that we aren't blown off the map. We should know better.

7. Chestertonian Rambler - 07/01/2008 6:42 pm CDT

"I should also say that in my opinion, a better way to end abortion would be with a constitutional amendment defining unborn children as persons with the right to "life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness" like the rest of us."

It is, of course, but also requires 2/3 of the nation to get in line.

I think, the more it comes down to the election, the more I tend to see abortion as pretty much The Issue. I wish I could vote for Obama--I think symbolically he'd help to heal a lot of problematic perceptions.

The main thing, though, is how much abortion rhetoric seems to just be self-perpetuating on both sides. I once walked between pro-life and pro-choice rallies that were simultaneously scheduled. They both seemed to be gaining energy from outshouting their opponents, but one side saw abortion-laws as a sort of rape and the other saw abortion as murder and no one seemed about to change their opinion.

I dunno...I just wish there was a better way. On issues like the Environment spreading awareness by dramatic means is pretty productive, because the strongest opposition to environmental policies is mere inertia. With abortion, you have so many people dug in across the nation, that it sometimes looks like a big game of escalating rhetoric "full of sound and fury, but signifying nothing."

8. nhe - 07/01/2008 9:26 pm CDT

Very well said by Chestertonian.......both sides are so dug in - there seems to be a true stalemate occurring on this issue - which is not good.

IMHO - The Christian pro-life crowd (which I count myself among) is more issue focused than person focused - that's the biggest barrier to seeing true change. We'd rather spout polarizing (albeit true) "murder" rhetoric FIRST - then listen to a pregnant woman's story LATER - the story, the life, the personal issue has to be heard, and grace and love extended first - then we can gently come with our Biblical supported position. Unfortunately, we tend to lead with polarizing rhetoric - that's sin IMHO - as much as the sin we're condemning is.

9. Bill - 07/01/2008 10:22 pm CDT

"Unfortunately, we tend to lead with polarizing rhetoric"

nhe - are you saying "we" because you count yourself in the group that does that?

My guess is you don't.

Why not just say "you"? The inclusive third person is a peeve of mine, especially when used to accuse others of sin.

10. Andrew - 07/01/2008 10:28 pm CDT


nhe - are you saying "we" because you count yourself in the group that does that?

My guess is you don't.


The first line of that nhe's paragraph was "The Christian pro-life crowd (which I count myself among) is more issue focused than person focused".

11. Whitestone - 07/01/2008 11:21 pm CDT

It's really difficult for me to understand the pro-choice argument. But abortion is only a tip of the iceberg in our cultural slide downward. I truly fear for our nation at the hands of God. God have mercy.

12. nhe - 07/02/2008 12:09 am CDT

I'm not sure what you mean Bill - "we" is Christians who believe that abortion takes human life - that's certainly me, though I'm not a fan of the pro-life movement....I think its still a "we" though - if not, I apologize....I do think the pro-life position needs its public image changed drastically - not because its wrong, but because it leads with truth and not a lot of love - its a noisy gong quite often......I've been absolutely guilty of that - and I feel/sense/hear a lot of anger from my Christian brothers/sisters when they speak about abortion.

Abortion should make us angry, but I don't think we're going to change public policy if we proclaim truth when we're angry......

13. Bill - 07/02/2008 6:26 am CDT

I hear you, nhe. I didn't make my point well, as usual.

There are, of course, a LOT of Christians who are pro life and live it. I'm not saying you don't have a point, but mention must be made of the Christian-run crisis pregnancy centers, the Christians who have adopted babies that would have been aborted (I've been privileged to know several of these wonderful couples), Christian-run adoption centers, etc.

I think you had a point in the 80s, when more Christians mistakenly put their faith in the political process than do now. I don't think your point is as valid today. I think that's why I reacted as I did. Lines like "it leads with truth and not a lot of love" are a slap in the face of a lot of people who are doing a lot more about this issue than I am (and possibly than you are).

Does that make sense?

14. Bill - 07/02/2008 6:42 am CDT

Also, I apologize for my harsh manner in last night's comment. I was being a jerk.

15. nhe - 07/02/2008 8:01 am CDT

Sure - that's all correct Bill - I don't think perception has changed though - I think the pro choice folks see us even more as insensitive jerks than they did in the 80s. There is a lot of good - it doesn't get the press.

I just think in order to change perception/and ultimately policy, the movement needs a transformation.

I'm most troubled by people I actually know who demonstrate at pro-life rallies AND have embryos in storage (not to mention the 4 that were implanted, so that one or two would take). That's another discussion for another time, but a lot needs to change.

16. Bill - 07/02/2008 8:17 am CDT

Well, we'll have to agree to disagree then. I don't think it's anything like it was in the 80s. There were people blowing up abortion clinics back then.

But I don't know why I argue about this. . . it's my hobby-horse, I guess, but I hate seeing good people get the crud beat out of them in this kind of forum because of a perception (which isn't reality). They deserve better.

For what it's worth, in my opinion the pro-abortion side of the argument is failing. I remember distinctly in the early 1990s, when Clinton was running against Bush 1, Al Gore proudly touted his pro-choice credentials against Dan Quayle in a debate. Abortion on demand was, common wisdom assumed, the right stance.

Notice how little play the abortion issue is getting in this election, ironically with one of the most pro-choice candidates in decades running. It's not getting any play because it's no longer a true winning issue. (I have no idea why McCain isn't playing up his pro-life credentials)

In many ways, abortion is on a collision course with technology.

17. Moses - 07/02/2008 10:26 am CDT

During my AM Devotions I was reminded how this post is like a movie I saw titled “The Weaker Sex”

Credits rolled to “You’re in your car… you’re in your house… at your job… BE encourageable” intro to “Looking for You” (HT: Kirk Franklin, “Hero” CD) and into the song as background

Then background during film “Be Thou my vision”

You can hear the thoughts audibly of the main characters dubbed in actual voice of Kirk Franklin (also from Hero CD) “Remind me to see myself as You see me” and then “Watch Me now!”…

Josh 1:9 “Have I not commanded you? Be strong and courageous. Do not be terrified; do not be discouraged, for the LORD your God will be with you wherever you go.”
Josh 1:16 Then they answered Joshua, “Whatever you have commanded us we will do, and wherever you send us we will go.”
Josh 2:9 and said to them, “I know that the LORD has given this land to you and that a great fear of you has fallen on us, so that all who live in this country are melting in fear because of you.”
Josh 2:14 “Our lives for your lives!” the men assured her. “If you don't tell what we are doing, we will treat you kindly and faithfully when the LORD gives us the land.”
Josh 2:20 “But if you tell what we are doing, we will be released from the oath you made us swear.”
Josh 2:24 They said to Joshua, “The LORD has surely given the whole land into our hands; all the people are melting in fear because of us.”
Josh 3:7 And the LORD said to Joshua, “Today I will begin to exalt you in the eyes of all Israel, so they may know that I am with you as I was with Moses.”
Josh 3:8 “Tell the priests who carry the ark of the covenant: ‘When you reach the edge of the Jordan's waters, go and stand in the river. ”
Josh 3:13 “And as soon as the priests who carry the ark of the LORD—the Lord of all the earth—set foot in the Jordan, its waters flowing downstream will be cut off and stand up in a heap.”
Josh 3:17 The priests who carried the ark of the covenant of the LORD stood firm on dry ground in the middle of the Jordan, while all Israel passed by until the whole nation had completed the crossing on dry ground.
Josh 4:4 So Joshua called together the twelve men he had appointed from the Israelites, one from each tribe,
Josh 4:5 and said to them, “Go over before the ark of the LORD your God into the middle of the Jordan. Each of you is to take up a stone on his shoulder, according to the number of the tribes of the Israelites,”
Josh 4:6 “to serve as a sign among you. In the future, when your children ask you, ‘What do these stones mean?”
Josh 4:8 So the Israelites did as Joshua commanded them. They took twelve stones from the middle of the Jordan, according to the number of the tribes of the Israelites, as the LORD had told Joshua; and they carried them over with them to their camp, where they put them down.
Josh 4:10 Now the priests who carried the ark remained standing in the middle of the Jordan until everything the LORD had commanded Joshua was done by the people, just as Moses had directed Joshua. The people hurried over,
Josh 4:11 and as soon as all of them had crossed, the ark of the LORD and the priests came to the other side while the people watched.
Josh 4:14 That day the LORD exalted Joshua in the sight of all Israel; and they revered him all the days of his life, just as they had revered Moses.
Josh 4:17 So Joshua commanded the priests, “Come up out of the Jordan.”
Josh 4:18 And the priests came up out of the river carrying the ark of the covenant of the LORD. No sooner had they set their feet on the dry ground than the waters of the Jordan returned to their place and ran at flood stage as before.
Josh 4:24 He did this so that all the peoples of the earth might know that the hand of the LORD is powerful and so that you might always fear the LORD your God.”
Josh 5:2 At that time the LORD said to Joshua, “Make flint knives and circumcise the Israelites again.” (favorite Line in the movie)
Josh 5:9 Then the LORD said to Joshua, “Today I have rolled away the reproach of Egypt from you.” So the place has been called Gilgal to this day.

Entire cast comes out to the tune of “This is My desire” as credits and honorable mentions roll.


18. Jared - 07/02/2008 10:24 pm CDT

What?

19. Shrode - 07/03/2008 12:43 pm CDT

Thanks Jared! I'm so glad I'm not the only one. Whew! Sometimes I worry that I'm the only one who doesn't get it. It took me a while but I finally understand now what Diana's comment in #1 meant, but I still don't get the last part of Diana's comment in #5. This one,(Moses - #17) was way beyond my comprehension. I was beginning to think it was just me.

20. Jared - 07/03/2008 3:23 pm CDT

It's a weird phenomenon. Spam that isn't. Or something.
Diana and Moses are the same person; or, at least, they're commenting from the same computer and share an affection for quasi-religious nonsense.

IP has been banned.

21. Quaid - 07/04/2008 8:26 am CDT

Back to the topic at hand . . .

This article came out regarding comments Obama made to Relevant magazine concerning abortion.

He really seems to be trying to gain a foothold on evangelicals. It appears that he is only for abortion when it comes to the physical health of the mother, yet has also said that he fully supports Roe v. Wade (which allows for abortions in many circumstances).

Something's rotten in the state of Illinois.

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