"We degrade Providence too much by attributing our ideas to it out of annoyance at being unable to understand it."

- Fyodor Dostoyevsky
Who Is John Bevere?

Anybody know anything about this guy?

I recently heard from someone who had listened to a dramatization of one of Bevere's books, an allegory, and the book seems to do a pretty good job of arguing that you can lose your salvation by sinning.

Can anyone give me any help or context on this dude or his teachings?

Update: The book is called "Driven by Eternity" and it seems to be his answer to "Purpose-Driven Life". It's about the judgements we will receive as believers. In it is an allegory about the kingdom of Affabel. (Does it rhyme with "laughable"?)

There is a radio drama production of just the allegorical portion starring John Rhys-Davis of The Lord of the Rings.

Is there anyone out there who has read the book or listened to the drama? Thoughts?


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Comments on "Who Is John Bevere?":
1. Randy Brandt - 03/25/2008 3:41 pm CDT

Apparently Bevere used to work for Benny Hinn (and perhaps Robert Tilton) and has been on Joyce Meyer's TV show. That tells me all I need to know.

2. Jared - 03/25/2008 3:56 pm CDT

He's the "Hippo in the Garden" dude. Was big into prophetic dreams a while back. I remember he was tight with the Toronto "Blessing" crowd also.

I imagine his allegories are like Rick Joyner's -- fanciful, fictional stories that zealous followers turn into full-blown revelatory prophecies.

Remember J.P. at the bookstore? He believed Joyner's books were actually going to happen.
Sort of a "Divine Revelation of Hell" type thing. Bevere's dream stuff is of the same genre/ilk.

3. Philip - 03/25/2008 4:22 pm CDT

Hippo in the Garden? What's that?

This allegory is apparently intended to illustrate his "biblical" teachings on heaven and specifically, judgement.

I don't remember J.P. Sad how the memory goes...

I do know that ole Randy Alcorn has dramatized heaven too...

But Bevere seems to have a chapter in his book arguing that you can lose your salvation, and it looks like from the reviews that it really shakes people up.

4. Jared - 03/25/2008 5:09 pm CDT

Yes, you do remember J.P. Think about it.
Answering machine. The Illuminati. :-)
Remember yet?

seems to have a chapter in his book arguing that you can lose your salvation, and it looks like from the reviews that it really shakes people up.

Of course it does. Insecurity and fear are tactics of Satan and religious charlatans know how to use them to win followers and sell stuff.

5. DLE - 03/25/2008 10:12 pm CDT

A fair amount of people at my church like Bevere. Our pastor has used some of Bevere's teaching tapes (similar to the one featured) for Wednesday night meetings.

I'm always skeptical of preachers and teachers who get a little "overblown" like Bevere appears to get in some of his promos. However, when I was discussing on my blog how to deal with false prophetic words, one of the men from my church who reads my blog loaned me a copy of the book Thus Saith the Lord? by...you guessed it, John Bevere.

I was all prepared to roll my eyes, but in truth, the book was actually pretty good. Bevere came out strongly AGAINST much of what passes for "prophecy" in charismatic churches. He denounced a number of well-known prophetic ministers and ministries. And he did so with solid teaching. The book may have been a bit anecdotal in spots, but that didn't take away from the message. Overall, it's a book I can recommend without hesitation, especially to those people who believe the gift of prophecy is for the Church today and want to know how to manage it biblically.

If he's as balanced in the rest of his teaching as he was in that book, I'd have to give him a thumbs up. But again, that comes from reading just one of his books.

Anyone here read anything by him or gone through one of his teaching tapes?

6. Randy Brandt - 03/26/2008 4:46 pm CDT

Jared, Hippo in the Garden was by Colorado's own James Ryle who prophesied about CU's football team and was a founding member of Promise Keepers. Different dude.

7. Jared - 03/26/2008 5:21 pm CDT

Ohhhh. My bad.
Sorry for the confusion.

8. Jeff Terrell - 03/31/2008 5:16 pm CDT

I listened to the audio drama a few months ago. I remember being really impressed with the quality of teaching and the faithfulness to the Bible. For example, here's a brief bio of a character named Deceived: "Deceived doesn't question the existence of Affabel [Heaven]. He believes in King Jalyn [Jesus] and even delights in his promises. He mentally and verbally agrees to the teachings and policies, yet large portions of his lifestyle conflict with those teachings."

Later, King Jalyn judges Deceived guilty. Among other passages, he uses Matthew 7:15-23 in an awesome, terrifying, and totally appropriate way--that passage is truly terrifying! I was impressed by this. Bevere is faithful to Scripture, even when Scripture is not something we want to hear.

I haven't read his book, "Driven by Eternity", but I just read the part related to eternal security. I must say, I am very impressed. He is not advancing an agenda but displaying what Scripture says. His book is as Scripture-soaked as something I would expect from John Piper or Derek Prince. And, honestly, I am amazed at how many passages state or imply that it's possible for mature believers to walk away from Truth, and that they cannot be saved, because they are twice dead. If nothing else, Bevere has at least convinced me that this is a matter worth closer investigation! Here are some of the passages he exegetes (and he truly exegetes, pulling things from Scripture rather than putting things into it):

- Matthew 7:22-23 (with Acts 19:13-16)
- Ezekiel 18:24
- James 5:19-20
- Proverbs 21:16
- Revelation 3:5
- 1 John 5:16
- Hebrews 6:4-6 (naturally)
- 2 Peter 2:20-22
- Jude 11-13
- Matthew 18:31-35
- Matthew 24:10,12-13
- 2 Thess. 2:3
- 1 Timothy 4:1,3-4 (particularly pertinent to this discussion of Bevere)

Anyway... I can't find anything wrong or misleading or deceptive with what Bevere says. Based on listening to the audio drama and reading one chapter of his book, I would commend him to you without reservation.

9. Steve - 04/09/2008 11:36 am CDT

Got room for one more comment? I've known John for around 15 years (not close friends, but we have mutual friends/associates), and I wanted to comment on something Mr. Brandt wrote earlier.
John did, in fact, work for both Benny Hinn and Robert Tilton. He broke all ties with Robert Tilton because of Tilton's almost heretical teachings on prosperity. It was a very difficult and painful time in which John and his wife lost many friends and were slandered by Tilton's proponents. You will never hear him utter a bad word about Tilton, however, even though he could have vindicated himself by speaking against him. He turned the other cheek, to his own hurt, and I respect that.
As far as Benny Hinn goes, I know that John regards him as a friend. But you have to understand that he would never speak against him whether or not he agreed with his theology. That's just not his style.
I certainly don't speak for John, but I can guarantee you this: every time I hear him preach, I am challenged and encouraged to deepen and strengthen my walk with Christ. I don't agree with everything he says, but I know him to be a sincere and genuine guy.

10. Vanessa - 06/11/2009 7:16 am CDT


I have read his books, his dvds and audio's are even better. There is no denying that he is the real McKoy.
He is one of the few preachers that actually speaks the truth on subjects that other preachers dare not speak on incase of offending their audience.
Breaking Intimidation and Fit For the Kingdom are both so worth getting your hands on.
Everything he speaks are so biblically based. Definitely knows his stuff and I read once that he does not write books for the fun of it he only writes them when he believes God tell him something important to write.

11. Kah - 09/03/2009 9:24 pm CDT

Don't know if this thread is still active. Our church is about to do a Bevere series. I contacted Messenger International and asked about John's qualifications: Where and when was he ordained; where and when did he receive his theologocal degree?

The Executive Manager replied (Addison Bevere). John is essentially self-ordained and he has a post-graduate degree in word-faith studies. That doesn't meaan that he is a bad person. But I'm suspicious of a church curriculem designed by someone with those credentials.

His ordination is with Messenger International (the organization he founded) and he has an "earned" doctorate in pastoral studies from Life Christian University, Florida The university website states clearly that they take a "word-faith" and "Prosperity" approach. Fellow alumni include the Copelands, Hinn, Howard-Brown, Meyer, etc.

Personally, I stay away from prosperity and word-faith teaching. I'll sit out the teaching series.


12. Joy - 03/07/2011 12:24 pm CST

I have read the responses left. I have been in ministry for 24 years and wish that the church of today would have been taught what Bevere has taught in these DVD sessions. To the woman who will sit out of the teaching, if he has come and gone then you really missed out on a life changing presentation of God's word. I am impressed how Bevere uses the Word of God more than he does "his own opinions". There was no manipulation of the Word. We fill our minds with so much of the world yet we will pass by on someone teaching faith. How much time do we give God? How much reverence do we show Him? I did not hear one instance where Bevere taught on Prosperity but if you can sit through just one of the DVD series and not be challenged by Gods Word then something is wrong. God's Word always changes us. There are a couple of things that I did not entirely agree with Bevere on but I have been in Christ long enough to know what is the Word and what is not. I did not hear anything that was contrary to the Word and would HIGHLY recommend these DVD's.

13. Tiffany - 03/21/2011 5:15 pm CDT

I've listened to John and Lisa both Preach. I listened to the drama rescued and although I know I am saved, I realized I needed to live outloud for God, not just inwardly. Both John and Lisa are gifted at exposing life draining patterns we deem "NORMAL" and inspire you to stretch and grow to maturity. I recently purchased the audito CD called "The Bait of Satan". I can't say enough positive about it. He is truly gifted at supporting sound teaching with scripture. He references past history of hurts himself. I didn't know about Robert Tilton but obviously John knew right from wrong and NEVER exposes details to slander any past employer he may have worked for. God not only restored him but caused his ministry to rise, inspite of those who chose to slander him. I think what's most controversial about John is, he is direct. He doesn't candy coat the truth with positive affirmations that could hinder your understanding of God's expectations and thus hinder a truly fulfilling life with God's blessing abounding. He does challenge you to live higher, live on purpose, and live intionally the way God created us to with a genuine love for all who fall short, because we all do.
I reccomend his books/CD's highly to all.

14. Allan - 06/16/2011 3:52 am CDT

I too thought 'Thus Saith the Lord?' was a good book. I thought 'Driven By Eternity' was terrible theology, but oh well, he's an arminian and believes you can lose your salvation if you're sinning too much. John Wesley was probably similar there and a great man of God.
However, Bevere has basically repackaged the Shepherding Movement doctrines of the 1970s with his book 'Under Cover'. I strongly advise anyone who is in a church that uses this book to check out the very gracious, and very biblical, response to this wrong teaching at the site http://coveringandauthority.com

15. Damian - 09/08/2011 1:32 am CDT

That site covering and authority is wrongly using verses in the bible to fit what they are saying. THey dont even give us the complete verses like John bevere does and if we dont check the bible on these verses ourselves we will be misled.

The moment i went into that site and started reading i sensed something wrong i had to get my brother to check what he is saying and he explained what exactly that site was doing. It is designed to cause division in the church it tries ot keep up the status quo so we dont learn anythign new. They basically said that we shoudl question the last 100 years of the evangelical movement. But if you go back further we wouldnt be able to read the bible if it was up to the catholic church.

16. Richard - 02/11/2012 8:34 pm CST

John Bevere. Give me a break. The real McCoy. Pardon me while I laugh & throw up at the same time. Fake, word faith/prosperity gospel fringe dweller is more like it. Scripture twisting, ethereal, esoteric, I could go on. I sat through several of his DVD series', so let me tell you. I used to go to a small assembly, Bevere(and his wife) are the order of the day! Pastor just eats up the Under Cover unbiblical, total control authority garbage. Next there was Honor's reward, cow tow to everybody and anybody in any form of authority(church or secular) and watch the $$$$$, material stuff just pour right in! Bait of satan, he teaches that under no circumstances can you get or be offended, unscriptural once again! Jesus himself said that offenses would come! People wake up to this guy and his wife. This is only a slice of what this guy is all about. Granted he does have some truth, but most of it is a mess, pure baloney! Run away from him and his wife!

17. Mathew B - 03/04/2012 10:04 am CST

John Bevere is an anointed man of God, just like many others. Of course there can be times when people speak or operate in the flesh, but to mock or speak against God's anointed servant is a very scary thing. I fear for some of you who have put in print mockery or judgments of God's workers. God said very clearly that judgement belongs to Him alone. Please humble yourself and repent of that.

18. Ben MJ - 03/04/2012 10:07 am CST

God will judge every one on the last day.

19. KAH - 04/21/2012 11:56 pm CDT

I commented a couple of years ago, #11. I was very troubled by Dr. Bevere's credentials, him being self ordained and holding an advanced degree from a word-faith university. I'm not mocking him, just bring the facts to light. My church is promoting him again, so I read his most recent books. In Relentless, and in Driven by Eternity, Dr. Bevere openly endorsed the famous WoF preacher Kenneth Hagin. Go ahead and read it. Yep. He has a WoF doctorate and he quotes famous Wof leaders in his publications. I do not think that he is trying to hide his Wof and Prosperity affiliation. Personally, I still stay away from prosperity and word-faith teaching. Too bad. He is such a gifted communicator.

20. Allan - 04/22/2012 3:31 am CDT

For those interested, I recently completed my MA dissertation looking at Bevere's 'Under Cover' as I've seen the very real damage following his teaching can do to a Church.

It's linked here:


Feel free to send (gracious and thinking) comments to my personal email which is on the link.



21. KAH - 04/22/2012 10:33 am CDT


Thanks for sharing your work. I noticed that Dr. Bevere is remarkably similar in style to the late Joseph Smith. Both were highly energetic, charismatic and intelligent; they were forceful and confident leaders, intensely prolific writers. Both claimed that their writings were direct messages from God, hence the name "Messenger International" John says that he reads the words after they are written, along with everyone else. Both men used this force of revelation to interpret the Bible.

Though different in doctrine, Bevere's similarity to the Prophet Joseph Smith is just creepy.

22. zaggle - 05/31/2012 10:32 pm CDT

Well folks... when God is talking to someone how could you possibly disagree with them.

God's not talking to you,
God's not talking to anyone...

23. David - 07/31/2012 3:25 pm CDT

John Bevere is an engineering student from Purdue who never graduated.

He worked for Robert Tilton as a babysitter for his kidsan flater drove the Van to pick up ministers who spoke at Tilton's church. he went to Benny Hinn's ministry in the 80's and was the Youth Pastor.

John is not a PhD. He has no seminary training or has ever accomplished any peer reviewed work. He often misrepresents scripture but God uses him to minister into peoples lives. He is far from being anyone you want to quote or rely on for accuracy.

24. David - 07/31/2012 3:28 pm CDT

I am tired of you clowns warning me about speaking against the anointed. Blow it out your anus. Moronic fools!

You know what the Bible says about a false prophet like Benny Hinn? Not to fear him.

Do us all a favor and grab a bat and beat yourself over the head.

25. Nicole - 09/06/2012 8:41 am CDT

Well David, you speak foolishly and bring yourself down with that kind of talk.
So what if Bevere has no phd or never graduated from higher education. So what if he was Tiltons gopher and babysitter, he was taking care of the pastor and his needs to help them better minister the Word!
If I was drowning and needed saving, I wouldn't care if a qualified or unqualified life guard rescued me. If they knew how to get me out and safe then they are qualified!
God calls not the qualified but the available.

26. Greg - 09/25/2012 1:40 pm CDT

I've been a Southern Baptist pastor for over 40 years and consider my theology consistent with our Baptist Faith and Message. But, while comfortable in my theology, I am firmly aware that this side of heaven the body of Christ has a great deal of diversity in understanding and practice. I have read three books by John Bevere - "Relentless", "Fear of the Lord", "A Heart Ablaze". Recognizing his Arminian bent and his charismatic background, I have none-the-less been very blessed by his writings. It's my observation that quite often the various 'parts' of the body of Christ tend to limit their reading and exposure to just those who are similarly 'shaped' theologically and experiencially. In doing so, we ignore a great deal of what God is doing around the world in unfamiliar ways. Through Bevere's writings I have been challenged in my fear and respect for God; have come to understand the high honor of being called to be holy and a part of His 'kingdom of priests'; the necessity of fervent - intentional - relentless prayer; and living a life of conviction and spiritual authority as a duly deputized ambassador for Christ. At whatever time I find Bevere's writings to be in clearly pronounced violation of the Word of God I will stoutly ignore/refute/or even abstain from his writings. Until then, I will continue to be grateful to God for such a gifted servant and humbly continue to consider his helpful exhortations.

27. Allan - 09/25/2012 3:25 pm CDT

Hello Greg,

Thanks for your reasoned input.

I have also been blessed by a Bevere book. It was called 'Thus Saith The Lord?' and was about how certain segments of the charismatic church can run wild with prophesy. Bevere, as an insider from the whole Benny Hinn / charismatic wing of the church, speaks with insight and tries to biblically rein in some of the wilder extremes.

I can also understand the passion for holiness that comes through in some of his books. I do think that this passion and zeal can often lead to fear, or be motivated by fear and / or legalism. I read 'Driven By Eternity' and was not blessed... ;) But, I understand what you're saying and I'm glad God blessed you in your reading.

However, I'd be very interested to hear your thoughts on 'Under Cover' by John Bevere. In my opinion, this is a dangerous and unbiblical book which leads to enslavement to man for the believer. It's heavy shepherding repackaged with even more threats of satanic deception if we don't 'submit' to our local church leader.

May God bless you, Greg, in your life for Jesus.

In Christ,



28. Ernie - 01/01/2013 12:20 pm CST

I have been a born again christian for over 30 years and in the last 3 years have been intoduced to John's books and dvd's. I have been challenged to mature and dig deeper in God's precious word, which in turn causes me to serve Jesus better. I have also seen many friends freed from sin and addictions thru the challenge God's word and Spirit brings. God receives the glory, but He has used John Bevere to speak into our lives, therefore changing us forever! By their fruit you will know them! I am a part of that fruit! And in the end isn't Jesus looking for that?

29. Ms. English - 03/17/2013 11:33 am CDT

I looked up John after he spoke in front of a church I have been visiting for weeks. I didnt know who he was. There were parts of his sermon that I enjoyed but the majority of it left me disconnected, my husband felt the same way. The congregation was extremely quiet and it was such a odd feeling. I dont care where John was educated, etc.

What bothered me the most was that he said people and other countries give him 5star treatment but in America most his audience is skeptical. So the other countries are healed---the way Jesus healed the sick---but in America when he preaches his audience sees less miracles because they dont honor him the same way other people do.
I come from a church where a pastor says "I dont want a pastor appreciation day, dont make a idol of me, I am merely a servant." So it was hard to connect with John, even if he had good intentions. He also did ALOT of name dropping of famous individuals he plays golf with, to give examples on his preaching about HONOR. I cant say he started off his career with the intention of misleading anyone because I dont know him from Adam, but it was hard to feel the anointing in his sermon, in his prayer and he said several times we were a quiet congregation. It seemed to have rattled him that we weren't giving him a standing ovation, etc.

Theres more but overall I felt the need to look him up because I was so disturbed by it all. The feeling of humility wasnt there---he was an extremely fast talker and his message was allllll over the place. At the end was the shameless plug to buy his new dvd/cd/book series. I just couldnt get with the program. But I will continue to pray for him and other people that if he--or they---are misled, that they will truly seek God and find their way home.

30. SLB - 03/17/2013 12:56 pm CDT

I am a member of the same church Ms English has been visiting and watched the service online today. I wasn't SO disturbed by his sermon but was a little taken aback at parts, like the name dropping and the 5 star treatment he receives is other countries. On the other side I do believe he speaks "the Bible" on most of what he said concerning honor, which is what we have been learning these past few weeks. I, too, did some investigating into his background and can't find anything before college. I do believe he is a gifted speaker and I know I have already started to look at honor in a different light after hearing our pastor and JB speak on it.

31. Reed - 04/12/2013 6:35 am CDT

Y'all need to get saved and stop worrying about others. Instead of studying the scripture yourself you come on here and just bash each other. Matthew 18:15-17 says go to the person who is in fault privately. If you have a problem, send John Bevere an email. Or talk to your Pastor who is playing his teaching.

If you're going to throw mud at someone else, you are bound to get dirty.

32. Bird - 04/12/2013 8:51 am CDT

Instead of studying the scripture yourself you come on here and just bash each other.

Said the guy who just passed judgement on other Christians' salvation.

33. Peter - 07/07/2013 3:10 am CDT

WOW, so much condemnation of JB, I have read many of his books and gleaned a lot of encouragement from them, I may not agree all aspects of his writings but I am sure that few people would agree with all that another person says or writes, this is why God has given us His holy spirit to help us discern the truth. Regarding his (JB's) credentials I am unable to find a biblical prerequisite requiring seminary training to preach the gospel, indeed the disciples where considered "unlearned" yet qualified in Jesus eyes.
Charismatic preachers and writers promote interest in Jesus, if a person truly seeks Jesus he/she will find Him and the truth will be "in them", when Jesus disciples told him that they had rebuked some people for preaching in Jesus name because they where not "of them" he said 'those who are not against us are for us'.
Let him who is without sin cast the first stone, guess that means Jesus will ultimately be the judge of who is right and who is wrong. God bless's all who seek truth.

34. David - 08/08/2013 7:05 pm CDT

John Bevere is a graduate of Purdue engineering (1981). He got saved on campus and met Lisa and went into ministry. They have 4 sons.

John started with Robert Tilton as a van driver and house sitter for Tilton's children. In 1986 Benny Hinn asked Tilton if John could join his staff. John was youth leader at Benny's church.
John started coming to my church in Michigan in 1990, where he got his first preaching assignments from the Lord.

In 1993 he told me he was working on a book. It became a best seller (The Bait of Satan) and after that he was on TBN, got national exposure and hit the national ministry circuit. Now he is global. God uses him all over the world.

I see him from time to time and we chat about the "old days". He is a great guy and has many challenging messages. I admit I do not agree with all his teachings but I have been blessed none the less. John claims he is not word of faith but he does have many associates and Pastor friends in this "click" and he speaks at their churches. This does not make him WOF and he is not a prosperity pervert, thought some of his friends like Robb Thompson are.

My advise? Chew the hay and spit out the sticks.

Hope this helps

35. mg - 08/17/2013 12:30 am CDT

David (comment #34) said: My advise? Chew the hay and spit out the sticks.

I agree. After reading through all these comments I am amazed that some people are able to read any books authored after the last of the books of the Bible were recorded. You will never find a person with whom you wholeheartedly agree 100% of the time. The only book you are guaranteed to never find a flaw in is the Bible... unless you just don't want to follow God.

If you're a seasoned Christian, you know what is and is not right. If you're a new Christian, run what you have questions about past someone you know personally and respect in the faith. And if you are urgently concerned about someone preaching or teaching things that may be damaging to the hearers, pray ye one for another so that we can all can be strengthened as a collective body of Christ. Because it's not about which denomination, clique, or movement we affiliate with.

Greg (comment #26) said the rest of anything else I have to say, best.

36. David - 08/24/2013 7:29 pm CDT


Unfortunately, for most traveling ministers, book publishing becomes a business. The entire ministry becomes a business. You write one hit book and the publisher is after you to write another....and another....and another. This is what I see in John Bevere today. He pumps out a book once a year and then tours off of it. How many books has Joyce Meyers published? Something like 60? Trust me. Beer drinkin, chain smokin, GED, Baptist girl Joyce Meyer doesn't know enough to write 60 books. They're all ghost writers. What a sham.

John Bevere has his HQ in Colorado Springs. Yep...he was running with the Haggart crowd til Teddy boy got popped snortin crystal meth and payin a male prostitute for sex. John seems to have an real knack for pickin the fools. Seriously, that makes a total of three. Robert Tilton, Benny Hinn and now Ted Haggart.

Anyways....too bad you didn't know or see John in the old days. Back in the late 80's - early 90's. He was at his best. Very focused. Now a days he has an army of employees to keep fed and at work all day. However, John is no where near as bad as the prosperity perverts. You see? Its the business. Business of what? The Big business of being an American hot shot on TV and around the world. Go here, hustle there. Be sure to sprinkle everything with thus saith the Lord or claim "revelation". Ka-ching ka-ching ka-ching go the registers bells and visa racking machines.

The Big Business of American Ministries.

37. ike - 11/02/2013 8:07 am CDT

i'm glad that it was the religious leaders of his day that denounced Jesus as a charlatan. if some of the people that made comments here were in Jesus's day, they would have called him names just as they are doing to John Bevere now.

The lives transformed by the ministry of these maligned preachers is all that matters. The grumblers and complainers will continue with their unfruitful lives

38. Shrode - 11/04/2013 11:08 am CST

ike should we not be like the Bereans and search the Scriptures to see what ANY teacher is saying is true? Any Christian preacher does not speak with his own authority as Jesus did, but is true only as far as his teaching lines up with the Bible.

I think that even John Bevere would agree that there are some who teach things contrary to the Bible. 2 Timothy 3:16 tells us that Scripture should be used to correct, teach, rebuke and train.

Some positive things were said about John Bevere in this thread too by the way.

39. BC - 01/27/2014 2:20 am CST

Shepharding is a cult. I was fortunate to get out of it at age 9. John Bevere needs to go to Seminary, where you learn not to copy the works of others. Also, when you copy the works of the Florida 5, you may want to read into the fact that it was a disaster!

40. Mr Clare - 12/02/2014 11:08 am CST

For any future dialogue, my new email is mrthomasclare@gmail.com.


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